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Too bad Android diverged too far from the rest of the Linux world and isn't using Wayland.

by shmerl 6y ago

sho_hn 6y ago
Interestingly, Wayland is used to some extent in Chrome OS, including for bringing Android apps into the windowing system. See e.g. https://qiangbo-workspace.oss-cn-shanghai.aliyuncs.com/2019-09-10-chromeos-with-android-app/Arcpp_Graphics.pdf https://qiangbo-workspace.oss-cn-shanghai.aliyuncs.com/2019-... The implementation includes some interesting projects like Sommelier, a Wayland protocol proxy used as part of a setup to virtualize host resources safely: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/+/HEAD/vm_tools/sommelier/ https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/+/HEA...
- shmerl 6y ago
  Yeah, I've seen that. I wish Android would close that gap and switch to standard Linux stack.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    There's a reason it doesn't use the standard Linux stack: the standard Linux stack is a garbage fire. Throwing away the userspace of Linux Desktop and replacing it is what allowed Android to thrive.
    - shmerl 6y ago
      There is no reason today, besides historic ones.
mixmastamyk 6y ago
What is it using?
- shmerl 6y ago
  Its own compositing stack. SurfaceFlinger: https://source.android.com/devices/graphics/surfaceflinger-windowmanager https://source.android.com/devices/graphics/surfaceflinger-w... That's something I wish they'd replaced with Wayland these days for better affinity with the rest of Linux.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    > That's something I wish they'd replaced with Wayland You might like GNU/Linux phones: Librem 5 and Pinephone.
    - 0xCMP 6y ago
      It'd be nicer if the efforts contributed to a better, more robust Wayland given how much money is invested in Android devices by Google and others.
    - shmerl 6y ago
      Librem 5 is interesting. I wish Plasma Mobile project would accelerate though. And SailfishOS never open sourced their UI.
izacus 6y ago
For Flutter it doesn't really matter because all it needs is a canvas to paint on.
CraftThatBlock 6y ago
Android pre-dates Wayland by a while, so from my understanding, if Android has a solution before, why would it need to migrate to Wayland? Also mobile use-cases and concerns are fairly different from desktop.
- shmerl 6y ago
  > If Android has a solution before, why would it need to migrate to Wayland? Same reason Ubuntu dropped Mir - synergy. Wayland is perfectly capable of handling mobile concerns.

Too bad Android diverged too far from the rest of the Linux world and isn't using Wayland.

by shmerl 6y ago

Too bad Android diverged too far from the rest of the Linux world and isn't using Wayland.

Interestingly, Wayland is used to some extent in Chrome OS, including for bringing Android apps into the windowing system. See e.g. https://qiangbo-workspace.oss-cn-shanghai.aliyuncs.com/2019-09-10-chromeos-with-android-app/Arcpp_Graphics.pdf https://qiangbo-workspace.oss-cn-shanghai.aliyuncs.com/2019-... The implementation includes some interesting projects like Sommelier, a Wayland protocol proxy used as part of a setup to virtualize host resources safely: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/+/HEAD/vm_tools/sommelier/ https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/+/HEA...

shmerl 6y ago
Yeah, I've seen that. I wish Android would close that gap and switch to standard Linux stack.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  There's a reason it doesn't use the standard Linux stack: the standard Linux stack is a garbage fire. Throwing away the userspace of Linux Desktop and replacing it is what allowed Android to thrive.
  - shmerl 6y ago
    There is no reason today, besides historic ones.

mixmastamyk 6y ago

What is it using?

shmerl 6y ago
Its own compositing stack. SurfaceFlinger: https://source.android.com/devices/graphics/surfaceflinger-windowmanager https://source.android.com/devices/graphics/surfaceflinger-w... That's something I wish they'd replaced with Wayland these days for better affinity with the rest of Linux.
- fsflover 6y ago
  > That's something I wish they'd replaced with Wayland You might like GNU/Linux phones: Librem 5 and Pinephone.
  - 0xCMP 6y ago
    It'd be nicer if the efforts contributed to a better, more robust Wayland given how much money is invested in Android devices by Google and others.
  - shmerl 6y ago
    Librem 5 is interesting. I wish Plasma Mobile project would accelerate though. And SailfishOS never open sourced their UI.

izacus 6y ago

For Flutter it doesn't really matter because all it needs is a canvas to paint on.

CraftThatBlock 6y ago

Android pre-dates Wayland by a while, so from my understanding, if Android has a solution before, why would it need to migrate to Wayland? Also mobile use-cases and concerns are fairly different from desktop.

shmerl 6y ago
> If Android has a solution before, why would it need to migrate to Wayland? Same reason Ubuntu dropped Mir - synergy. Wayland is perfectly capable of handling mobile concerns.