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451 is a great status code, right up there with 418.

by quercusa 6y ago

smabie 6y ago
Not better than 420. You could say that 420 is the highest of all status codes
maxcbc 6y ago
My favourite part of GDPR is getting to use 451 legitimately everywhere.
- OJFord 6y ago
  I'm not sure it is really though is it? It's legitimate in the same way that '451: we want to load up our site with so much javascript your computer catches fire and burns your house down, but that's illegal in your jurisdiction so this site is Unavailable for Legal Reasons' is. To me 451 is like 404 (nothing here) and 410 (was something here but now there isn't) - it's a further progression/specificity to 'was/sort of is something here but it's not presently available for legal reasons'. Common obvious one is DMCA takedown notices, but it might also be an injunction, or even accidentally published while still under embargo - or deliberately to prime SEO (not advice) - or NDA, etc.
- ben_w 6y ago
  It’s a Carol business decision that letting Alices & Bobs view content for free isn’t cost effective if Carol isn’t allowed to track Alice and Bob without their permission and make money by letting Eve, who is unknown Alice and Bob, to build up a detailed profile of Alice and Bob. Project Guttenberg in Germany (and The Pirate Bay in the USA, I think) would be 451.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    Why is Project Gutenberg illegal in Germany?
    - ben_w 6y ago
      Court order regarding blocking specific books, the project itself isn’t a problem: https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html
- ryandrake 6y ago
  I don't know. "Our site is so hostile to user privacy that it's illegal in some places" isn't exactly something I'd be proud of. Nor is, "We might be in violation of GDPR and we might not--we have no idea so we're going to just block you."
  - ben_w 6y ago
    > Nor is, "We might be in violation of GDPR and we might not--we have no idea so we're going to just block you." It’s not something to be proud of, but it is something I am sympathetic about. Modern laws (not just GDPR) are long and the language is often hard to understand. I believe that laws must be simple enough to comprehend, or else they will not be comprehended and thus will be violated even by people who want to follow them — the phrase would be better if it was “ignorance of the law cannot be an excuse”, because that works both ways.
    - erik_seaberg 6y ago
      Even if you never actually did anything wrong, demonstrating compliance with GDPR delays releases and adds costs that never end.
jll29 6y ago
451 F = the temperature at which fire burns
- diab0lic 6y ago
  It's the ignition temperature for paper. Fire burns at different temperatures depending on the fuel source, even paper will each a much hotter temperature after ignition.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    <pedant> It's an approximate and somewhat mythical value, popularised by Ray Bradbury's novel. Actual ignition point varies bu 100+ °F. Experience this past year with sourdough baking --- on parchment paper at 290°C (550°F) --- shows that though the paper browns, it does not combust. (Possibly affected by thermal mass / moisture of bread loaf.) https://slate.com/technology/2012/06/ray-bradbury-death-does-paper-really-burn-at-451-degrees-fahrenheit.html https://slate.com/technology/2012/06/ray-bradbury-death-does... </pedant>
Fnoord 6y ago
It is a reference to the book/movie Fahrenheit 451 [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451_(disambiguation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451_(disambiguation...

451 is a great status code, right up there with 418.

smabie 6y ago

Not better than 420. You could say that 420 is the highest of all status codes

maxcbc 6y ago

My favourite part of GDPR is getting to use 451 legitimately everywhere.

OJFord 6y ago
I'm not sure it is really though is it? It's legitimate in the same way that '451: we want to load up our site with so much javascript your computer catches fire and burns your house down, but that's illegal in your jurisdiction so this site is Unavailable for Legal Reasons' is. To me 451 is like 404 (nothing here) and 410 (was something here but now there isn't) - it's a further progression/specificity to 'was/sort of is something here but it's not presently available for legal reasons'. Common obvious one is DMCA takedown notices, but it might also be an injunction, or even accidentally published while still under embargo - or deliberately to prime SEO (not advice) - or NDA, etc.
ben_w 6y ago
It’s a Carol business decision that letting Alices & Bobs view content for free isn’t cost effective if Carol isn’t allowed to track Alice and Bob without their permission and make money by letting Eve, who is unknown Alice and Bob, to build up a detailed profile of Alice and Bob. Project Guttenberg in Germany (and The Pirate Bay in the USA, I think) would be 451.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  Why is Project Gutenberg illegal in Germany?
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Court order regarding blocking specific books, the project itself isn’t a problem: https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html
ryandrake 6y ago
I don't know. "Our site is so hostile to user privacy that it's illegal in some places" isn't exactly something I'd be proud of. Nor is, "We might be in violation of GDPR and we might not--we have no idea so we're going to just block you."
- ben_w 6y ago
  > Nor is, "We might be in violation of GDPR and we might not--we have no idea so we're going to just block you." It’s not something to be proud of, but it is something I am sympathetic about. Modern laws (not just GDPR) are long and the language is often hard to understand. I believe that laws must be simple enough to comprehend, or else they will not be comprehended and thus will be violated even by people who want to follow them — the phrase would be better if it was “ignorance of the law cannot be an excuse”, because that works both ways.
  - erik_seaberg 6y ago
    Even if you never actually did anything wrong, demonstrating compliance with GDPR delays releases and adds costs that never end.

jll29 6y ago

451 F = the temperature at which fire burns

diab0lic 6y ago
It's the ignition temperature for paper. Fire burns at different temperatures depending on the fuel source, even paper will each a much hotter temperature after ignition.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  <pedant> It's an approximate and somewhat mythical value, popularised by Ray Bradbury's novel. Actual ignition point varies bu 100+ °F. Experience this past year with sourdough baking --- on parchment paper at 290°C (550°F) --- shows that though the paper browns, it does not combust. (Possibly affected by thermal mass / moisture of bread loaf.) https://slate.com/technology/2012/06/ray-bradbury-death-does-paper-really-burn-at-451-degrees-fahrenheit.html https://slate.com/technology/2012/06/ray-bradbury-death-does... </pedant>

Fnoord 6y ago

It is a reference to the book/movie Fahrenheit 451 [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451_(disambiguation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451_(disambiguation...