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But will even the TI versions work here? A 3090TI or 3080TI for example would have to launch at the most at the same price as their base models to stay competit

But will even the TI versions work here? A 3090TI or 3080TI for example would have to launch at the most at the same price as their base models to stay competitive. That would result in a massive PR headache. Also, would the TI versions actually help? Even a 100$ markup on a 3080TI would bring it close to the 6900 XT pricing. And the 3080TI cannot come close the 3090/6900 XT performance for that markup or otherwise it would risk cannibalizing Nvidia's own products. Nvidia's only hope at this point is that either AMD fudged the benchmarks by a large margin or AMD gets hit with the same inventory issues.

dannyw 6y ago
NVIDIA can resort to paying developers to only optimise for NVIDIA performance and/or cripple AMD performance.
- snvzz 6y ago
  I wouldn't put it past NVIDIA considering their scummy history[0]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os
- dathinab 6y ago
  They kind of do that anyway in a slightly more roundabout way then you described. (In the way they use their devs to help AAA games to fix some issues under some circumstances, there had been cases where optimizations speed up Nvidea but hindered AMD due to architectural differences but, surely it was all accidentally).
- lini 6y ago
  But will game studios do it now that both next gen consoles use AMD's RDNA 2 chips?
- rasz 6y ago
  They already implemented this plan 20 years ago, "Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played!" means things like: https://techreport.com/news/14707/ubisoft-comments-on-assassins-creed-dx10-1-controversy-updated/ https://techreport.com/news/14707/ubisoft-comments-on-assass... "Radeon HD .. gains of up to 20%.... Currently, only Radeon HD 3000-series GPUs are DX10.1-capable, and given AMD’s struggles of late, the positive news about DX10.1 Ubisoft’s announcement about a forthcoming patch for the game. The announcement included a rather cryptic explanation of why the DX10.1 code improved performance, but strangely, it also said Ubisoft would be stripping out DX10.1 in the upcoming patch Ubisoft decided to nix DX10.1 support in response to pressure from Nvidia after the GPU maker sponsored Assassin’s Creed via its The Way It’s Meant To Be Played program." https://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing/ https://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-to... "Unnecessary geometric detail slows down all GPUs, of course, but it just so happens to have a much larger effect on DX11-capable AMD Radeons than it does on DX11-capable Nvidia GeForces. The Fermi architecture underlying all DX11-class GeForce GPUs dedicates more attention (and transistors) to achieving high geometry processing throughput than the competing Radeon GPU architectures." GameWorks slowing down ATI/AMD users by up to 50% https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-gameworks-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-game... https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/10/the-witcher-3/ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/10/the-witcher-3/
dathinab 6y ago
From what I heard the 3090 has some driver features disabled which some of their GPU compute focused cards have normally enabled, they could probably sell a 3090TI for +200$ by just enabling that feature :=/

dannyw 6y ago

NVIDIA can resort to paying developers to only optimise for NVIDIA performance and/or cripple AMD performance.

snvzz 6y ago
I wouldn't put it past NVIDIA considering their scummy history[0]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os
dathinab 6y ago
They kind of do that anyway in a slightly more roundabout way then you described. (In the way they use their devs to help AAA games to fix some issues under some circumstances, there had been cases where optimizations speed up Nvidea but hindered AMD due to architectural differences but, surely it was all accidentally).
lini 6y ago
But will game studios do it now that both next gen consoles use AMD's RDNA 2 chips?
rasz 6y ago
They already implemented this plan 20 years ago, "Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played!" means things like: https://techreport.com/news/14707/ubisoft-comments-on-assassins-creed-dx10-1-controversy-updated/ https://techreport.com/news/14707/ubisoft-comments-on-assass... "Radeon HD .. gains of up to 20%.... Currently, only Radeon HD 3000-series GPUs are DX10.1-capable, and given AMD’s struggles of late, the positive news about DX10.1 Ubisoft’s announcement about a forthcoming patch for the game. The announcement included a rather cryptic explanation of why the DX10.1 code improved performance, but strangely, it also said Ubisoft would be stripping out DX10.1 in the upcoming patch Ubisoft decided to nix DX10.1 support in response to pressure from Nvidia after the GPU maker sponsored Assassin’s Creed via its The Way It’s Meant To Be Played program." https://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing/ https://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-to... "Unnecessary geometric detail slows down all GPUs, of course, but it just so happens to have a much larger effect on DX11-capable AMD Radeons than it does on DX11-capable Nvidia GeForces. The Fermi architecture underlying all DX11-class GeForce GPUs dedicates more attention (and transistors) to achieving high geometry processing throughput than the competing Radeon GPU architectures." GameWorks slowing down ATI/AMD users by up to 50% https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-gameworks-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-game... https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/10/the-witcher-3/ https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/10/the-witcher-3/

dathinab 6y ago

From what I heard the 3090 has some driver features disabled which some of their GPU compute focused cards have normally enabled, they could probably sell a 3090TI for +200$ by just enabling that feature :=/