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I'm in the market for a new car with decent driver assistance, so a round up like this is just what I've been looking for. One of the first things that stands

I'm in the market for a new car with decent driver assistance, so a round up like this is just what I've been looking for. One of the first things that stands out is what Mazda told Consumer Reports about its Lane Departure Warning System with Lane-keep Assist: > Mazda responded that its system was not designed or intended to center the vehicle in a lane and that the automaker doesn’t believe its vehicles are equipped with technology that meets the criteria CR is using in its evaluation. Not necessarily something I would have understood from its website or brochure. This probably takes the CX-5 off of my short list. Incidentally, the submitted title casts this as Cadillac vs. Tesla, but the actual title is "Cadillac's Super Cruise Outperforms Other Driving Assistance Systems." In fairness, their 2018 article did have a similar title: "Cadillac Tops Tesla in Consumer Reports' First Ranking of Automated Driving Systems."

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
My car has the current-edition Toyota/Lexus system. First of all, it's worth saying there're a whole slew of ancillary safety systems beyond the 'nominal case driving' automation, like rear-crossing detection, collision brake assistance, blindspot warning and so on. For the self-driving stuff, I really only use the radar cruise control. The car does have lane self-centering but it's not great at detecting lane boundaries, especially when in bad weather or when there's a lot of traffic. I have that system turned to an advisory mode so it'll beep if I start moving across a lane boundary without a turn signal on. The radar cruise control is very solid. My only real complaint about it is that it leaves a large gap at low speed; even when in its tightest-follow mode. You can end up getting people merging in front of you, which then causes it to generate an even larger gap. It will take off from a stop, but if it's a long stop it wants you to hit a resume button. I understand how the systems work at this point, they don't surprise me, and they help with fatigue. I'm generally an attentive driver (I know, we all say that) so I'm OK with the limitations. I don't really want any more. Very anecdotally, the last time I tried a lane-following system (an Audi rental about two years ago), it tried to kill me by following the off-ramp into a gas station at 65mph.
- wil421 6y ago
  Is adaptive cruise control considered self driving? I always thought it was driver assist feature like the original cruise control and blind spot monitoring. Surprisingly it’s been around for almost 30 years and Mitsubishi was using Lidar way back in ‘91. https://www.autonomousvehicleinternational.com/features/adas-3.html https://www.autonomousvehicleinternational.com/features/adas...
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    Because the car throttles itself up and down appropriately, which at least for me is the main annoyance when driving in traffic. IIRC, rear end collisions due to innatentive driving are also the most common type of car accident
    - NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
      The other thing to bear in mind is that the capability is way higher now than in the past, despite the feature having the same name. It works perfectly with multiple lanes of closely-spaced traffic, through bends, bad weather etc. It actually uses the brakes rather than just engine-braking when necessary. It works well enough in stop-and-go traffic. It doesn't lose its mind if people merge in front of you.
  - chris11 6y ago
    I wouldn't consider it self driving. But the hw for LKA and adaptive cruise control can do a lot. That's all that Comma AI's Open Pilot needs, and a Toyota with TSS 2.0 is considered the best platform for Open Pilot. I definitely wouldn't say it's self driving but using Open Pilot gives you a really nice hands free experience driving on the highway.
andrewia 6y ago
I believe Mazda does have lane centering, but they remove the feature for the US. It can be restored by using diagnostic tools to change the car's region. Specifically, it's "early" vs "late" departure intervention. I have personally had experience with Hyundai's systems. Even cheap Elantras have a camera-based system with amazingly good lane centering and some form of auto braking, but they decided to make radar cruise only available for top trims. I got an older 2015 Genesis Sedan with radar cruise (natural but imperfect, and no detection of cars cutting in front of you) and lane keep assist (not quite centering except for every fifth curve where it's too aggressive). The blind spot warning is good but a bit too sensitive. Auto braking is radar based so it warns you appropriately but can't detect pedestrians. The car's driving assistance feels like a beta, which makes sense given its age. The NVH of the Genesis is stellar and the rest of the tech works well. I also tried Honda's radar cruise in a Clarity and it worked well. When I test drove a TLX, the lane keep assist in the first generation TLX wasn't quite centering. Its braking alert worked fine and I appreciate that since it didn't have the HUD, they put a small LED to project "BRAKE" on the windshield instead.
odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
I'm not sure if anything changed, but my CX-5 from 2015 had this. Maybe they don't consider it to be full hands off and thus have made this statement? It could center itself and drive within the same lane in a highway going around 100-120km/h without any involvement from me. It also nudged me to the lane whenever I tried to change lanes without using the blinker.
totalZero 6y ago
The full heading is "Cadillac's Super Cruise Outperforms Other Driving Assistance Systems: Other automakers close in on Tesla's Autopilot, now a distant second, in Consumer Reports' new ratings of 17 systems," but that seemed long and wordy. CR used the phrase "distant second" for Tesla's DAS, calling Autopilot out by name, so it seemed fair to consolidate the headline as submitted.

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago

My car has the current-edition Toyota/Lexus system. First of all, it's worth saying there're a whole slew of ancillary safety systems beyond the 'nominal case driving' automation, like rear-crossing detection, collision brake assistance, blindspot warning and so on. For the self-driving stuff, I really only use the radar cruise control. The car does have lane self-centering but it's not great at detecting lane boundaries, especially when in bad weather or when there's a lot of traffic. I have that system turned to an advisory mode so it'll beep if I start moving across a lane boundary without a turn signal on. The radar cruise control is very solid. My only real complaint about it is that it leaves a large gap at low speed; even when in its tightest-follow mode. You can end up getting people merging in front of you, which then causes it to generate an even larger gap. It will take off from a stop, but if it's a long stop it wants you to hit a resume button. I understand how the systems work at this point, they don't surprise me, and they help with fatigue. I'm generally an attentive driver (I know, we all say that) so I'm OK with the limitations. I don't really want any more. Very anecdotally, the last time I tried a lane-following system (an Audi rental about two years ago), it tried to kill me by following the off-ramp into a gas station at 65mph.

wil421 6y ago
Is adaptive cruise control considered self driving? I always thought it was driver assist feature like the original cruise control and blind spot monitoring. Surprisingly it’s been around for almost 30 years and Mitsubishi was using Lidar way back in ‘91. https://www.autonomousvehicleinternational.com/features/adas-3.html https://www.autonomousvehicleinternational.com/features/adas...
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  Because the car throttles itself up and down appropriately, which at least for me is the main annoyance when driving in traffic. IIRC, rear end collisions due to innatentive driving are also the most common type of car accident
  - NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
    The other thing to bear in mind is that the capability is way higher now than in the past, despite the feature having the same name. It works perfectly with multiple lanes of closely-spaced traffic, through bends, bad weather etc. It actually uses the brakes rather than just engine-braking when necessary. It works well enough in stop-and-go traffic. It doesn't lose its mind if people merge in front of you.
- chris11 6y ago
  I wouldn't consider it self driving. But the hw for LKA and adaptive cruise control can do a lot. That's all that Comma AI's Open Pilot needs, and a Toyota with TSS 2.0 is considered the best platform for Open Pilot. I definitely wouldn't say it's self driving but using Open Pilot gives you a really nice hands free experience driving on the highway.

andrewia 6y ago

I believe Mazda does have lane centering, but they remove the feature for the US. It can be restored by using diagnostic tools to change the car's region. Specifically, it's "early" vs "late" departure intervention. I have personally had experience with Hyundai's systems. Even cheap Elantras have a camera-based system with amazingly good lane centering and some form of auto braking, but they decided to make radar cruise only available for top trims. I got an older 2015 Genesis Sedan with radar cruise (natural but imperfect, and no detection of cars cutting in front of you) and lane keep assist (not quite centering except for every fifth curve where it's too aggressive). The blind spot warning is good but a bit too sensitive. Auto braking is radar based so it warns you appropriately but can't detect pedestrians. The car's driving assistance feels like a beta, which makes sense given its age. The NVH of the Genesis is stellar and the rest of the tech works well. I also tried Honda's radar cruise in a Clarity and it worked well. When I test drove a TLX, the lane keep assist in the first generation TLX wasn't quite centering. Its braking alert worked fine and I appreciate that since it didn't have the HUD, they put a small LED to project "BRAKE" on the windshield instead.

odshoifsdhfs 6y ago

I'm not sure if anything changed, but my CX-5 from 2015 had this. Maybe they don't consider it to be full hands off and thus have made this statement? It could center itself and drive within the same lane in a highway going around 100-120km/h without any involvement from me. It also nudged me to the lane whenever I tried to change lanes without using the blinker.

totalZero 6y ago

The full heading is "Cadillac's Super Cruise Outperforms Other Driving Assistance Systems: Other automakers close in on Tesla's Autopilot, now a distant second, in Consumer Reports' new ratings of 17 systems," but that seemed long and wordy. CR used the phrase "distant second" for Tesla's DAS, calling Autopilot out by name, so it seemed fair to consolidate the headline as submitted.