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Just spent 24 hours grappling with docker issues on fedora 32. In the midst of these issues my OS prompts me to download F33 and I see the migration to btrfs.

by maxk42 6y ago

Just spent 24 hours grappling with docker issues on fedora 32. In the midst of these issues my OS prompts me to download F33 and I see the migration to btrfs. I no longer trust the Fedora maintainers.

Gracana 6y ago
Sounds like you should be running Red Hat, not Fedora. RHEL has a 10 year support cycle, so you can wait for technologies to mature before you migrate to them.
- maxk42 6y ago
  btrfs is well over 10 years old and RHEL ditched support for it. My experience with it has not been positive.
  - vondur 6y ago
    As Fedora is the testing distro for RedHat Enterprise Linux, I’m guessing they are planning to use BTRFS in upcoming versions.
    - freedomben 6y ago
      I wouldn't read that much into it. While a lot of Fedora people also work at Red Hat, Fedora really is a community project. It's quite possible that the community voted to use btrfs as the default file system, even though support is not planned for RHEL. That said the RHEL people will be paying attention. If btrfs proves successful, I could totally see it going into RHEL 9. Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat but not on Fedora. I'm just a happy Fedora community member for a little over 10 years now
mattdm 6y ago
Note that your existing system will not be migrated to BTRFS. I'm sorry to lose your trust. I think that comes from a misunderstanding about expectations. We want to provide a functional, usable system -- but we also are going to change things in new releases, and while we do weigh user impact, we're tilted towards bringing upstream innovation to users. That means we're likely to bring you things like cgroupsv2 sooner rather than later. If you have these expectations, I hope we're holding to them pretty well. See our mission and foundations page at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/, and hopefully that will make things more clear.

by maxk42 6y ago

Gracana 6y ago

Sounds like you should be running Red Hat, not Fedora. RHEL has a 10 year support cycle, so you can wait for technologies to mature before you migrate to them.

maxk42 6y ago
btrfs is well over 10 years old and RHEL ditched support for it. My experience with it has not been positive.
- vondur 6y ago
  As Fedora is the testing distro for RedHat Enterprise Linux, I’m guessing they are planning to use BTRFS in upcoming versions.
  - freedomben 6y ago
    I wouldn't read that much into it. While a lot of Fedora people also work at Red Hat, Fedora really is a community project. It's quite possible that the community voted to use btrfs as the default file system, even though support is not planned for RHEL. That said the RHEL people will be paying attention. If btrfs proves successful, I could totally see it going into RHEL 9. Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat but not on Fedora. I'm just a happy Fedora community member for a little over 10 years now

mattdm 6y ago

Note that your existing system will not be migrated to BTRFS. I'm sorry to lose your trust. I think that comes from a misunderstanding about expectations. We want to provide a functional, usable system -- but we also are going to change things in new releases, and while we do weigh user impact, we're tilted towards bringing upstream innovation to users. That means we're likely to bring you things like cgroupsv2 sooner rather than later. If you have these expectations, I hope we're holding to them pretty well. See our mission and foundations page at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/, and hopefully that will make things more clear.