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The elephant in the room is that in addition to the obvious upside these platforms are ripe for money laundering.

tabsa 15y ago
Current currencies "cash platform" already provides such services. Also offshoring, lobbying, loopholes in the law and creative accounting. There is no elephant here.
- eli 15y ago
  Pretty tough to send cash anonymously over the internet.
  - tabsa 15y ago
    Bitcoin is pseudo anonymous. Everyone knows about all the transactions - they are kept in the block chain that all the clients have, you can only try to hide the real identities of the persons involved in transactions, and that is still quite hard, and anonymity could be attacked using different techniques (see Tor anonymity problems) It was a bit harder(more costly) before Bitcoin to send small sums "anonymously", but if you have millions or billions there is a whole industry of lawyers/accountants/bankers to help you out. So in that perspective Bitcoin brings anonymity to the common people, lowers the barriers to entry, or you can also say that it brings the era of financial democracy upon us :)
    - daeken 15y ago
      Tor type attacks won't work here. Why? Because transactions go to everyone. Bitcoin "addresses" are really key fingerprints -- it's impossible to know who has the key to decrypt a given Bitcoin. It's equivalent to sending everyone in the world an encrypted email; if you send it to everyone, how do you know who the intended recipient is?
      - prodigal_erik 15y ago
        On the other hand, once you receive bitcoins at an address, you have to reuse that address in order to finally spend them, which interrelates the transactions in a way that's visible to everyone. The only way to limit traffic analysis is to use and trust some service like the bitcoin laundry, which will accept coins from one address and send distinct coins to another address.
        pppp 15y ago
        Not true - you can generate a new address for each transaction without affecting your "wallet".
        prodigal_erik 15y ago
        But the block chain remembers the current owning address of coins. You can't create a new address and use it to spend coins which you received at an old address, for the same reason I can't spend coins which belong to you. (You could transfer coins between your own addresses, but that's also publicly visible and wouldn't solve the traffic analysis problem.)
rhizome 15y ago
History tells us that the CIA doesn't necessarily mind.
- ww520 15y ago
  CIA would be a big user of bitcoins. There are a few operations that they don't want the money to be traced.
  - michaelchisari 15y ago
    Which is the interesting push and pull of our government. While the CIA would love to be able to launder money through a system such as this, the FBI are probably fuming over how much more difficult their job will become because of it.
  - antihero 15y ago
    Didn't Tor start out as a project for spies to communicate?

tabsa 15y ago

Current currencies "cash platform" already provides such services. Also offshoring, lobbying, loopholes in the law and creative accounting. There is no elephant here.

eli 15y ago
Pretty tough to send cash anonymously over the internet.
- tabsa 15y ago
  Bitcoin is pseudo anonymous. Everyone knows about all the transactions - they are kept in the block chain that all the clients have, you can only try to hide the real identities of the persons involved in transactions, and that is still quite hard, and anonymity could be attacked using different techniques (see Tor anonymity problems) It was a bit harder(more costly) before Bitcoin to send small sums "anonymously", but if you have millions or billions there is a whole industry of lawyers/accountants/bankers to help you out. So in that perspective Bitcoin brings anonymity to the common people, lowers the barriers to entry, or you can also say that it brings the era of financial democracy upon us :)
  - daeken 15y ago
    Tor type attacks won't work here. Why? Because transactions go to everyone. Bitcoin "addresses" are really key fingerprints -- it's impossible to know who has the key to decrypt a given Bitcoin. It's equivalent to sending everyone in the world an encrypted email; if you send it to everyone, how do you know who the intended recipient is?
    - prodigal_erik 15y ago
      On the other hand, once you receive bitcoins at an address, you have to reuse that address in order to finally spend them, which interrelates the transactions in a way that's visible to everyone. The only way to limit traffic analysis is to use and trust some service like the bitcoin laundry, which will accept coins from one address and send distinct coins to another address.
      - pppp 15y ago
        Not true - you can generate a new address for each transaction without affecting your "wallet".
        prodigal_erik 15y ago
        But the block chain remembers the current owning address of coins. You can't create a new address and use it to spend coins which you received at an old address, for the same reason I can't spend coins which belong to you. (You could transfer coins between your own addresses, but that's also publicly visible and wouldn't solve the traffic analysis problem.)

rhizome 15y ago

History tells us that the CIA doesn't necessarily mind.

ww520 15y ago
CIA would be a big user of bitcoins. There are a few operations that they don't want the money to be traced.
- michaelchisari 15y ago
  Which is the interesting push and pull of our government. While the CIA would love to be able to launder money through a system such as this, the FBI are probably fuming over how much more difficult their job will become because of it.
- antihero 15y ago
  Didn't Tor start out as a project for spies to communicate?