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This fellow makes an interesting case that Nazis (i.e. National Socialists) were what it says right on the tin: socialists who swapped out class struggle in fav

This fellow makes an interesting case that Nazis (i.e. National Socialists) were what it says right on the tin: socialists who swapped out class struggle in favor of an ethno-nationalist struggle but were otherwise identical. I don't agree with everything he rants about, but I do find interesting his discussion of the shrinking market theory https://youtu.be/go2OFpO8fyo https://youtu.be/go2OFpO8fyo Edit - those who downvote: I'm totally fine with a judicious downvote, but if you wouldn't mind leaving a comment about what it is that you disagree with or dislike? I'd especially love to hear from those who disagree that Nazis were socialists: Do you disagree with the video per se or something else? I'm eager to learn more!

sofixa 6y ago
I didn't watch the video because i don't want this type of nonsense in my viewing history and because the premise is inherently flawed. Socialism means something, and Nazi Germany and the NSDAP don't fit any of the criteria. Did the workers own the means of production ? Did the NSDAP even remotely move in that direction? No and hell no. The NSDAP worked closely with industrialists ( which helped finance their rise to power), destroyed unions, etc. Having a few national programs ( Volkswahen, the Autobahn, etc.) doesn't mean socialism. They were as socialistic as horses are fish. Yeah, they have two eyes, but that's about it.
- rendall 6y ago
  "Did the workers own the means of production ? Did the NSDAP even remotely move in that direction?" The arguments in the video address everything you bring up, here. It would be lovely to have you refute those very specific arguments. My precis won't argue nearly as well: "Did the workers own the means of production ?" Nazis seized businesses, positions and property from Jews and absolutely handed them over to Germans, which is the Nazi analog of seizing the means of production "destroyed unions..." Destroyed communist labor unions in favor of Nazi labor unions, youth groups, etc "The NSDAP worked closely with industrialists..." I would imagine if you were one of those industrialists, and you didn't work closely with the Nazis, you would swiftly find your industry "nationalized" "I didn't watch the video because i don't want this type of nonsense in my viewing history" ... the fellow is decidedly anti-socialist, and if you're pro-socialist I can imagine you would find it upsetting. But, given that you know socialism intimately, you are the only one who can refute those ideas! It would be nice to know where he goes off the rails
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  They're "socialist" like current "democratic socialist" European governments?
  - rendall 6y ago
    Personally, I don't think so. I wish there were two separate words for these two concepts: * the proletariat seizing the means of production from the bourgeoisie (or 'volk' from 'untermenschen' in the case of the Nazis) and distributing resources from a centralized economic authority * generous social benefits funded by high taxes as a matter of public and social policy They're both labeled "socialism" but completely different ways and results. In the US, discussion of the second is always stymied by conflation with the first

sofixa 6y ago

I didn't watch the video because i don't want this type of nonsense in my viewing history and because the premise is inherently flawed. Socialism means something, and Nazi Germany and the NSDAP don't fit any of the criteria. Did the workers own the means of production ? Did the NSDAP even remotely move in that direction? No and hell no. The NSDAP worked closely with industrialists ( which helped finance their rise to power), destroyed unions, etc. Having a few national programs ( Volkswahen, the Autobahn, etc.) doesn't mean socialism. They were as socialistic as horses are fish. Yeah, they have two eyes, but that's about it.

rendall 6y ago
"Did the workers own the means of production ? Did the NSDAP even remotely move in that direction?" The arguments in the video address everything you bring up, here. It would be lovely to have you refute those very specific arguments. My precis won't argue nearly as well: "Did the workers own the means of production ?" Nazis seized businesses, positions and property from Jews and absolutely handed them over to Germans, which is the Nazi analog of seizing the means of production "destroyed unions..." Destroyed communist labor unions in favor of Nazi labor unions, youth groups, etc "The NSDAP worked closely with industrialists..." I would imagine if you were one of those industrialists, and you didn't work closely with the Nazis, you would swiftly find your industry "nationalized" "I didn't watch the video because i don't want this type of nonsense in my viewing history" ... the fellow is decidedly anti-socialist, and if you're pro-socialist I can imagine you would find it upsetting. But, given that you know socialism intimately, you are the only one who can refute those ideas! It would be nice to know where he goes off the rails
BlueTemplar 6y ago
They're "socialist" like current "democratic socialist" European governments?
- rendall 6y ago
  Personally, I don't think so. I wish there were two separate words for these two concepts: * the proletariat seizing the means of production from the bourgeoisie (or 'volk' from 'untermenschen' in the case of the Nazis) and distributing resources from a centralized economic authority * generous social benefits funded by high taxes as a matter of public and social policy They're both labeled "socialism" but completely different ways and results. In the US, discussion of the second is always stymied by conflation with the first