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Well, duh. Most of the Eugenics movt., and its proponents, were based in Cal and NY. The US (like UK, West) has always been a country of hypocrisy. They put S

Well, duh. Most of the Eugenics movt., and its proponents, were based in Cal and NY. The US (like UK, West) has always been a country of hypocrisy. They put Shumei Okawa to trial in Tokyo, for having the audacity to put forward pan-Asianism to liberate it from European clutches. Japan was put on trial for waging 'aggressive war' for monopolizing Asia, even while the Dutch, British, etc. had completely destroyed Asian economies only in the past century. The Japanese Imperial Army was no benign enterprise, but I'm sure the Europeans didn't win over Asia with flowers and chocolates. Little wonder, the Indian Justice dissented in the show trials of Tokyo. Now, if only the Indian state had the spine to withdraw these charges, at least for symbolic purposes. The fact that it won't says a lot.

sn41 6y ago
Justice Radhabinod Pal [1] has a monument in the Yasukuni shrine. [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhabinod_Pal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhabinod_Pal [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine
jariel 6y ago
"Japan was put on trial for waging 'aggressive war' for monopolizing Asia, even while the Dutch, British, etc. had completely destroyed Asian economies only in the past century." This is ridiculous - there is no comparison between 'The Dutch' and 'The Japanese' incursions into Asia. The Dutch were traders, with some geopolitical leverage, money and a few ships. The Japanese literally invaded and marauded most of E. Asia causing millions of casualties, literally destroying cities, taking sex-slaves on mass, i.e. 'Horrors of Mechanized 20th century' - on par with Nazis. Not some localized trade dispute with a pack of merchant marines firing on innocents, 'monopolizing trade of a few sectors'.
- inawarminister 6y ago
  Hi, Indonesian here. The Dutch also marauded throughout Asia, to the point of genociding wnole populations of spice islanders just to keep controls on commodities https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/island-traded-for-manhattan https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/island-traded-for-manh... There are too many others sins of the VOC and Royal Dutch colonial authority for me to list still; regardless, no one is a saint. We hate both colonists equally - well, one colonised us for 350 years, the other for 3,5 years. But both are hated still.
- mdpm 6y ago
  While the Japanese were no saints, and have had one of the largest rebrandings in history - please don't underestimate the VoC.
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> Most of the Eugenics movt., and its proponents People gung-ho about "progressivism" usually don't really pay the due attention to how that mindset was intertwined and motivated by the same forces behind eugenics, evangelicalism, race science, corporatism, industrialization, mass centralization, authoritarianism, etc.

sn41 6y ago

Justice Radhabinod Pal [1] has a monument in the Yasukuni shrine. [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhabinod_Pal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhabinod_Pal [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine

jariel 6y ago

"Japan was put on trial for waging 'aggressive war' for monopolizing Asia, even while the Dutch, British, etc. had completely destroyed Asian economies only in the past century." This is ridiculous - there is no comparison between 'The Dutch' and 'The Japanese' incursions into Asia. The Dutch were traders, with some geopolitical leverage, money and a few ships. The Japanese literally invaded and marauded most of E. Asia causing millions of casualties, literally destroying cities, taking sex-slaves on mass, i.e. 'Horrors of Mechanized 20th century' - on par with Nazis. Not some localized trade dispute with a pack of merchant marines firing on innocents, 'monopolizing trade of a few sectors'.

inawarminister 6y ago
Hi, Indonesian here. The Dutch also marauded throughout Asia, to the point of genociding wnole populations of spice islanders just to keep controls on commodities https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/island-traded-for-manhattan https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/island-traded-for-manh... There are too many others sins of the VOC and Royal Dutch colonial authority for me to list still; regardless, no one is a saint. We hate both colonists equally - well, one colonised us for 350 years, the other for 3,5 years. But both are hated still.
mdpm 6y ago
While the Japanese were no saints, and have had one of the largest rebrandings in history - please don't underestimate the VoC.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago

> Most of the Eugenics movt., and its proponents People gung-ho about "progressivism" usually don't really pay the due attention to how that mindset was intertwined and motivated by the same forces behind eugenics, evangelicalism, race science, corporatism, industrialization, mass centralization, authoritarianism, etc.