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The HTML/web model is still fundamentally incomplete. Links are one way, things don't flow based on concept but based on this clunky chunk called a page. We sti
by kristopolous 6y ago
The HTML/web model is still fundamentally incomplete. Links are one way, things don't flow based on concept but based on this clunky chunk called a page. We still only have one functional semantic for cross linking the clunky chunks called the hyperlink.
The only way we have to find things are to use companies that have managed to visit and index all the sites, not through some search and index interface but by processing the page that the human sees and then trying to rank them making the web ultimately heavily centralized.
Then there is the authorship meta layer that doesn't exist to interleave content from the same author, say by email or some other identifier. Instead we've centralized that into temporal structures that vanish when you look back, like in a dream in a "let 1000 flowers bloom" method where all you ever end up with are just a bunch of silly flowers.
Then there is the permanence feature where the internet is like a river that's always moving. Someone else has to rely on generosity to yet again, centralize the historicals so hopefully things can exist at least as long as bad ink on terrible paper. Otherwise a couple generations of thought will be in metal garbage heaps
I could have written all this, word for word in 1993 but instead it's 2020,
Honestly, I'd say solutions to 70% of the fundamental problems are still unsolved nearly 30 years later.
- tannhaeuser 6y agoRegarding two-way links etc., XLink/XInclude, based on SGML and HyTime concepts, was proposed by Sun back then in 1998 or so. Thankfully, that didn't take off.
- xorcist 6y agoIncomplete compared to what? There are no hard dependencies between web sites and links fail all the time. The web didn't succeed in spite of this, but because of this. The decision to use one-directional links was a good design choice in retrospect. It has also kept the web agile enough to keep evolving.
- slightwinder 6y ago> Links are one way Is it even possible to change this? We did had (or still have?) backlinks in the blogging-world (trackback/pingback), but this is some active mechanism which simple does not scale well for physical reasons. > things don't flow based on concept but based on this clunky chunk called a page The base is a document, which describes the content and interface. "Page" is just the naming for some. Some others are called "App". What else is their? > We still only have one functional semantic for cross linking the clunky chunks called the hyperlink. We do have other formats than HTML. HTML had different approaches to include more stuff. Did not work for reasons. AT the end all dreams shatter on reality.