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I don't know what definition of cultural appropriation you are using where using someone else's culture for profit doesn't count.
by blix 6y ago
I don't know what definition of cultural appropriation you are using where using someone else's culture for profit doesn't count.
- planetsmashr 6y agoSomeone better tell the Koreans who run the sushi restaurant down the street.
- prox 6y agoAppropriate : “to make your own” adpropriare "to make one's own," from Latin ad "to" (see ad-) + propriare "take as one's own," It means that I take something from culture X and pretend that it is from my culture, and/or in some cases twist it so that it makes my culture seem more superior.
- kortilla 6y ago> It means that I take something from culture X and pretend that it is from my culture That’s literally how new things came to be in every larger culture. Sushi didn’t magically come into existence across all of Japan simultaneously. Rice techniques were continually improved upon and exchanged throughout the hundreds of cultures across Asia.
- chmod775 6y ago> Sushi didn’t magically come into existence across all of Japan simultaneously. Welp. It didn't even originate in Japan specifically. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sushi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sushi
- prox 6y agoExactly my point. Most things gradually get incorporated into a larger culture, like yoga. If I take yoga, and call it something else without actually changing the fundamentals and say it is superior, that’s appropriation.
- lol139189 6y agothis is some grade-a motte-and-bailey shit
- kortilla 6y agoNope, it’s called appropriation even if you credit the original culture and keep the same name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation A restaurant was protested for cultural appropriation because the owner was white and it was serving Sonoran recipes under the original name. It was just the fact that a white person was profiting off of that particular subculture that made it appropriation.
- NoOneNew 6y agoSo... you literally just described "progress" throughout all of human history. The Greeks and Roman are a good example of that. The entire back and forth history of the Silk Road (the real one). Even the Crusades had cultural dumps back and forth. Um, Japan is also considered the modern day "Rome" when it comes to taking other inventions and improving on it beyond their creator's imaginations. Like, are we going to yell cultural appropriation against the Japanese for building the Mitsubishi Zero (I don't know enough about sushi to talk about it beyond the california roll being a fucking abomination)? They didn't invent the airplane, but I dare you to find a history nut who isn't going to talk kindly about the engineering and general marvel that plane was for its time, along with how it forced the USA to adapt their learning and counter maneuvers to combat it. It was a super important plane to both military and aviation history, even though it's technically a piece of cultural appropriation. Ever think the whole thing is just making a mountain out of a mole hill since it's never the "offended culture" that's ever offended, but some random person in San Fran or Los Angeles without a real job?
- prox 6y agoYou take it into to far wide a scope. It is something that is, for the most part a modern notion in the context of taking from somebodies culture and presenting it either as yours to show your cultural superiority, and obfuscating in some cases the origin. Basically it’s the same as if copied your shiny new app you worked on and declaring I made it, or invented it. I am appropriating your work as mine.
- blix 6y agoI think your scope is too narrow. Consider white girls at music festivals wearing bindis as a fashion statement. I don't think this fits your definition, but it is a popular example of cultural appropriation.
- narag 6y agosomeone else's culture Ouch.
- Alex3917 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation Cultural appropriation doesn't mean appropriating things from another culture. It's an actual term with a specific meaning. It means specifically misrepresenting a cultural practice in order to make another culture look inferior. E.g. if you take something that isn't actually anything like what the Egyptians ate and tell everyone how terrible it is, then that would be cultural appropriation. Making bread the way the Egyptians made it would not be cultural appropriation, nor would selling it.
- emiliobumachar 6y agoThe link you posted opens with "Cultural appropriation is the adoption of an element or elements of one culture or identity by members of another culture or identity." I read the top summary and the overview section, and it still looks to me that yes, it does mean appropriating things from another culture. Any subtlety I'm missing? Would you take a shot at summarizing the definition you hold?
- schrijver 6y agoThe term has a broader meaning than you make it seem. According to the link you posted yourself, cultural appropriation appears “[when] cultural elements are copied from a minority culture by members of a dominant culture [and] these elements are used outside of their original cultural context”. In most cases, those appropriating other cultures actually love whatever they appropriate. That’s why they copied it in the first place. A lot of the flack for cultural appropriation comes not from that it ridicules other cultures, but rather that the artists/entrepreneurs/etc with visibility tend to be those from the dominant culture. They can profit from the ‘cool’ factor of appropriating other cultures, whereas for those from minorities that are being appropriated it is hard to find a spotlight. Of course the kind of cultural appropriation that you describe also exists, i.e. wearing a native american headdress to a party or something like this. But that would be a subset and is not the generally used definition.
- Alex3917 6y agoI guess to me using something outside of its original context is just a subset of misrepresentation, in the sense that the value of the practice in question isn't being accurately portrayed.