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is it wrong that i hear about these attacks and i am utterly disgusted? i get that american CIA operatives aren't exactly the cleanest of the clean, but he was
by keeganpoppen 6y ago
is it wrong that i hear about these attacks and i am utterly disgusted? i get that american CIA operatives aren't exactly the cleanest of the clean, but he was on a diplomatic mission and basically had the rest of his life ruined. is that just how life goes? same goes for the Havana cases, which are so obviously connected that it hardly even needs further evidence to substantiate at this point (and seem even more dubious than this one from a moral standpoint?).
i guess what i'm saying is that if i knew Putin were doing this to my people i would be apoplectic-- what am i missing? are we up to dirty stuff like this too? i mean, i guess something like Guantanamo counts as "dirty", but seems somehow in a different circle of hell from this... (maybe this is just my own ignorance talking).
- PrinceKropotkin 6y ago> are we up to dirty stuff like this too? Yes.
- Ericson2314 6y agoWell the US's M.O. would normally be regime change leading or regime propping leading to tons of abuse of civilians. Clearly in utilitarian terms that is way worse. But I don't know of an example of messing with the personal well-being of diplomats/spies/goons/whoever who are in their country's compound rather than deployed in the field? Perhaps a taboo is being violated here? No one got hurt by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device).
- eptcyka 6y agoInter national politics is a cruel mistress. I think this is just a way to deter peaceful missions from the US without being actively aggressive.
- free_rms 6y agoYes, we and they are up to lots of dirty stuff way worse than this. This is resonant because it's educated-class people. Not latin-american nuns being killed by death squads, harder to relate to that.
- keeganpoppen 6y agothats a really fair point (and part of what i tried to hint at with the chalking it up to my ignorance bit at the end)
- Bahamut 6y agoThe Cuba cases were likely crickets: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/sound-haunted-diplomats-cuba-crickets/579637/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/sound-ha...
- diebeforei485 6y agoOr it could have been designed to sound like crickets.
- jxramos 6y agoDaniel Hannan ...and by the way I think that the world is fortunate at the moment in its superpower you know. We basically you know, with all the occasional errors that your country makes as all countries do, I am glad that the preponderant power in the world is a liberal capitalist democracy rather than being Russia or China, right, or the European Union. https://youtu.be/Ufyov9RO8I0?t=1511 https://youtu.be/Ufyov9RO8I0?t=1511
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- spookybones 6y agoI don’t think the CIA does diplomacy. It uses the role of a diplomat as a soft-front for getting intel. I highly doubt the CIA/USA is ignoring this matter.
- Nginx487 6y agoAll Russian propaganda based on hatred and de-humanazing Americans. Video of Russian mercenaries attacking US Army vehicle has been met with nation-wide jubilation. That's Goebbels-style with 21century technologies. US appeared to be unprepared for this round of Cold War.