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As a developer, I almost have no problem with companies choosing the no code tools. As cynical as this will sound, those apps will age like milk as per usual, a

As a developer, I almost have no problem with companies choosing the no code tools. As cynical as this will sound, those apps will age like milk as per usual, and they will always want custom uses cases that will require platform knowledge. And, those platforms become old, and stop being cool. It’s almost like ‘no-code’ debt, it’s gotta eventually get paid.

haswell 6y ago
Just as higher level language abstractions have taken many years and many iterations to get right, so, too, have/will low-code platforms. Yes, some are prone to “spoilage over time”. But to fully discard/dismiss the entirety of low code products is either foolish, or a conclusion that is based on old/incomplete information.
bitwize 6y ago
As a developer, I have the opposite opinion. I wish companies would stop buying this snake oil, because when the platforms do get old, the companies will take their time migrating off them. The platform will be sold to some tiny support shop in Bumfuck, Nowhere, who will gladly send representatives to HQ to renegotiate the support contract. So despite it being a pain in the ass to literally everyone who touches it, it somehow stays in the company because millions or even billions' worth of business goes through it, and replicating the exact logic in $SENSIBLE_LANGUAGE is not an expense the VP or CTO will approve because "what we have works fine". So supporting it, integrating with it, and coding around it falls to the schlubs on the dev teams. Schlubs... like me.
monoideism 6y ago
Going back a few threads, I just wanted to tell you that I think you're right that we have to fight hard against severe illness/injury. At least, I've decided to fight it instead of allowing it to kill me early. We'll see how things go. It may still get me, but I'm going to fight it. I'm sorry to have insulted you, I honestly figured you were another naive 20-something year old giving advice on something they know nothhing about (and I work in tech, so I can't just not hang out around with them).

haswell 6y ago

Just as higher level language abstractions have taken many years and many iterations to get right, so, too, have/will low-code platforms. Yes, some are prone to “spoilage over time”. But to fully discard/dismiss the entirety of low code products is either foolish, or a conclusion that is based on old/incomplete information.

bitwize 6y ago

As a developer, I have the opposite opinion. I wish companies would stop buying this snake oil, because when the platforms do get old, the companies will take their time migrating off them. The platform will be sold to some tiny support shop in Bumfuck, Nowhere, who will gladly send representatives to HQ to renegotiate the support contract. So despite it being a pain in the ass to literally everyone who touches it, it somehow stays in the company because millions or even billions' worth of business goes through it, and replicating the exact logic in $SENSIBLE_LANGUAGE is not an expense the VP or CTO will approve because "what we have works fine". So supporting it, integrating with it, and coding around it falls to the schlubs on the dev teams. Schlubs... like me.

monoideism 6y ago

Going back a few threads, I just wanted to tell you that I think you're right that we have to fight hard against severe illness/injury. At least, I've decided to fight it instead of allowing it to kill me early. We'll see how things go. It may still get me, but I'm going to fight it. I'm sorry to have insulted you, I honestly figured you were another naive 20-something year old giving advice on something they know nothhing about (and I work in tech, so I can't just not hang out around with them).