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OnlyFans Faces Allegations of Fraud, Theft
- ivalm 6y agoSeems down, hug of death?
- pgt 6y agoDoes anyone have a cached version?
- processing 6y agohttps://archive.vn/nOcQz https://archive.vn/nOcQz
- onlyrealcuzzo 6y agoIs there a reason why Hacker News and Reddit and other sites don't provide a cache to external links?
- mdasen 6y agoProbably copyright. You’d be using their content and taking away their potential revenue (from ads and whatnot) without their permission. News sites already want Facebook to have to pay for linking to them, never mind copying their content and not giving them their ad hits.
- arusahni 6y agoCached version here: https://web.archive.org/web/20201028000024/https://forensicnews.net/2020/08/13/onlyfans-faces-allegations-of-fraud-theft/ https://web.archive.org/web/20201028000024/https://forensicn...
- kristopolous 6y agoI've long wondered what would happen if "self produced" pornography saw its day in court. Afaik the exception pornography initially had which made it exist outside of sex work rules hinged on where the money came from. If it was from someone engaging in the act, then it's prostitution. If it's someone else, then it's acting. But arguably, the payment here is more direct so I honestly think it wouldn't be obvious. The customers are paying for the purpose of potentially live sex work merely with a barrier of technology between them. I'd imagine it's the same as the peep shows where someone pays to enter a booth to watch a promised tantalizing performance with a transparent barrier between the participants, but I really don't know. The second interesting thing is about teenagers. The original argument again, relied on two models: one where the person is getting paid by a participant, which is seen as abuse, and the second method where they may or may not be paid but an adult is doing the recording and distribution, which is seen as exploitation. But what if it's the teenager themselves that turn on the camera and presses record entirely on their own? The exploitation and abuse arguments no longer hold so I'd imagine that this too may not be so obvious. The argument that it's illegal to consume or possess the material may still hold if the method of production can't be demonstrated but what about to produce and distribute the content? I certainly would have pursued an amateur career as a teenager for extra money if it was available. Also, if the content was still floating around now, 20 years later, the only thing I'd feel would be extremely flattered.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y agoThere's plenty of cases of kids being charged with, and convicted of, production of child pornography by sharing nude selfies on Snapchat: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjvnx3/minors-can-be-convicted-of-child-porn-for-sending-nude-selfies-court-rules https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjvnx3/minors-can-be-convict...
- vmception 6y agoShould have went with a first amendment challenge in federal court. Silly state legislatures. If only these defendants had money.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago> Should have went with a first amendment challenge in federal court The nature of the case in-question is clearly one of obscenity (the subject was sexually harassing someone else, which is definitely not protected by first-amendment rights). As a WA resident myself, I'm disappointed in the judgement (though that depends on what the State Supreme Court's role is - it's unclear to me if they were deciding what the law said or if they were deciding what was just in the circumstances - kinda like how the US Supreme Court will decide if a given law is constitutional or not, regardless of how just or actually necessary that law is for a well-functioning society - this wouldn't be as big a problem if the US would end its sacrosanct, holy-text treatment of the Constitution - I used to admire and revel in the simplicity of a short written, principled, constitution - but now that I'm older, wiser and far more cynical I feel the other countries' approach of "the law IS the constitution" makes it easier to be responsive and reactive without necessarily betraying any long-standing principles.
- vmception 6y agoIt looks to me like the state Supreme Court just deferred to the legislatures and assumed what they meant It wasn’t argued on Washington or Federal constitutional free speech grounds I think they totally could challenge in Federal Court whether the state legislature’s interest in protection outweighed the individual minor’s 1st amendment rights, punting it back to the state trial court to convict only on the harassment grounds
- vmception 6y agoOkay wow this guy has mastered the funnel! He owns the website with leaked porn accounts passwords to his own porn websites! I’m not even mad, that’s amazing. I would argue that alot fewer people would be subscribing to onlyfans feeds if they didn’t have familiarity with premium accounts already. Although the personal touch is pretty unique.
- 55555 6y agoYeah i think quite possibly it's a fake hacked passwords site where he basically sells access to his own sites for even cheaper, under the pretense of them being hacked.
- scarmig 6y agoIf true, that's a truly an example of price discrimination for the ages. I honestly have a hard time imagining anything sleazier.
- vmception 6y agoSleezier than airlines doing it based on cookies? Sleezier than every SaaS product ever giving a greater "one-time offer just for you" when you click "I'm not interested" or if you try to cancel the service? I think what this guy did is clever and not sleezy at all. It is hilarious and amazingly self-aware, monetizing customers that are willing to jump through hoops to access his service.
- eyelidlessness 6y agoClever and sleazy on a Venn diagram may be almost a circle on some occasions.
- vmception 6y agobut do you, a different person than who I responded to, feel that way here? what is sleezy about converting pirates into customers? is it the pornography relation? what if it was found that Netflix itself was the one selling their accounts for sharing on some websites? Sleezy is not the word I would use.
- cmdshiftf4 6y agoSo you're telling me that a degenerate website is ran by a degenerate? Surely you must be joking?
- maxharris 6y agoIs there any evidence that this piece politically motivated? Like is the guy a Trump donor or a Biden donor or something?
- c0nducktr 6y agoI'm asking this in good faith: Why would you assume political motivation for this post?
- eyelidlessness 6y agoI’m certain there isn’t a political motive behind this article but I can only assume the question is based on background knowledge that the linked site and one of the bylines has been a powerhouse of trump exposes.
- ajurna 6y agofar more likely its "morally" motivated. because this site is corrupting people or some such.
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- chenpengcheng 6y agowhy is this on HN?
- vmception 6y agoAnother thing that is pretty interesting about this is that many people use OnlyFans as an alternative to Patreon, where they aren't just selling skin they are selling anything to fans and curious people. The owner is definitely in the business of making erotic cam and pornography websites with no ambiguity. I didn't actually know that beforehand.
- rassputin902 6y agoUnderage and all. "Man in jail" walking. If i were him I'd sell it and move on.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago>OnlyFans scammed me out of money by making me ‘subscribe’ to a user that I had no intention of subscribing to. Then I asked support to request a refund, only for them to say we don’t offer refunds under any circumstances This is why PayPal is so popular with consumers. The Internet is full of shady businesses who will abuse your payment information. For all its issues from a business perspective, from a consumer perspective, PayPal's stance of the consumer is always right is a great thing.
- qppo 6y agoI wonder if there's some money laundering going on, like taking payments to models and cashing it out to bank accounts they don't control
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