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Feels like it. Don’t get me wrong, I think sketch is great, but no way i’m going into apple’s walled garden voluntarily. Very happy that figma works on linux.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
So you prefer to be locked in to a server that really serves someone else? [0] At least, with Sketch/macOS the code is executed on the device you can control (to a degree). [0]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s...
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  Sketch is not libre software, so there's not much difference as long as you can export.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    There is a whole world of difference. Figma's servers can be down when you need it to work, developers might want to 'phase out' the function you need, or introduce some changes that would totally break your workflow, and you will be absolutely powerless to do anything about it but conform. With locally running app you control when and where the app works, and you have way more options when developer introduces some changes that don't fit you.
    - GeneralTspoon 6y ago
      Not to mention sensitive design documents that must stay on-prem can't be uploaded to cloud services like Figma (I don't know if this is possible to do in Figma somehow? I've never looked into it)
    - cawlin 6y ago
      Meh. I can't open any of our old sketch files at work because I don't have a valid license for a version that works on the newest OS. All the same as being locked out of a server in the moment.
      - robenkleene 6y ago
        Except one is your choice, the other you have no control over?
      - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
        This does not make any sense, newer versions of Sketch open old files just fine, and licences are valid for any version. Maybe you were trying to say that you can't open new sketch files because your version of macOS doesn't support latest versions of Sketch? That is, indeed, a problem. However, if you work only with internal files, you can simply abstain from upgrading to new version and keep working on the version that works for you. Moreover, Sketch licences do not 'expire', you simply can't receive updates any longer. So you can still work with your files as long as you need, not relying on someone else's actions.
- marcinzm 6y ago
  I want to get things done. I value concrete benefits now versus theoretical potential benefits in the future. I'm looking for tools to help me get work done and not a religious philosophy.
  - rzodkiew 6y ago
    That's exactly how China become an economical superpower, while at the same being environmentally irresponsible and lacking any semblance of human rights. People just wanted cheap stuff that gets the work done, rather than what's right. By paying for any tool you are strengthening its position and philosophy, whether you care about it or not.
    - marcinzm 6y ago
      Since you want to make it political. It's how every country ever became an economic superpower. Then many decided to clean up their acts since they could divert resources to it at little relative cost. The countries that tried to do the right thing from the beginning didn't get into that club. Most of them then were destroyed by the superpowers in one conflict or another. Moral of that story is to be pragmatic until you're at the top since otherwise it won't much matter.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

So you prefer to be locked in to a server that really serves someone else? [0] At least, with Sketch/macOS the code is executed on the device you can control (to a degree). [0]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s...

AsyncAwait 6y ago
Sketch is not libre software, so there's not much difference as long as you can export.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  There is a whole world of difference. Figma's servers can be down when you need it to work, developers might want to 'phase out' the function you need, or introduce some changes that would totally break your workflow, and you will be absolutely powerless to do anything about it but conform. With locally running app you control when and where the app works, and you have way more options when developer introduces some changes that don't fit you.
  - GeneralTspoon 6y ago
    Not to mention sensitive design documents that must stay on-prem can't be uploaded to cloud services like Figma (I don't know if this is possible to do in Figma somehow? I've never looked into it)
  - cawlin 6y ago
    Meh. I can't open any of our old sketch files at work because I don't have a valid license for a version that works on the newest OS. All the same as being locked out of a server in the moment.
    - robenkleene 6y ago
      Except one is your choice, the other you have no control over?
    - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
      This does not make any sense, newer versions of Sketch open old files just fine, and licences are valid for any version. Maybe you were trying to say that you can't open new sketch files because your version of macOS doesn't support latest versions of Sketch? That is, indeed, a problem. However, if you work only with internal files, you can simply abstain from upgrading to new version and keep working on the version that works for you. Moreover, Sketch licences do not 'expire', you simply can't receive updates any longer. So you can still work with your files as long as you need, not relying on someone else's actions.
marcinzm 6y ago
I want to get things done. I value concrete benefits now versus theoretical potential benefits in the future. I'm looking for tools to help me get work done and not a religious philosophy.
- rzodkiew 6y ago
  That's exactly how China become an economical superpower, while at the same being environmentally irresponsible and lacking any semblance of human rights. People just wanted cheap stuff that gets the work done, rather than what's right. By paying for any tool you are strengthening its position and philosophy, whether you care about it or not.
  - marcinzm 6y ago
    Since you want to make it political. It's how every country ever became an economic superpower. Then many decided to clean up their acts since they could divert resources to it at little relative cost. The countries that tried to do the right thing from the beginning didn't get into that club. Most of them then were destroyed by the superpowers in one conflict or another. Moral of that story is to be pragmatic until you're at the top since otherwise it won't much matter.