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Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to December 10
- adamnemecek 6y agoSoftware estimations are hard.
- talles 6y agoNot only software. I can only imagine the amount of artists involved in this thing.
- s9w 6y agoThis is its third delay I think. And AFTER announcing its gold status. This is so bizarre. And it's not even an amateur studio or a monumental project like Star Citizen. They delivered multiple projects that were at least of comparable size. They released so many trailers in the last weeks and even days. This must be so expensive purely from a marketing perspective. Also none of the reasons are news. Corona has been here for a long time now, and other teams deal with it, too. And I'm sure the release platforms have also been set in stone for a long time. Also just Yesterday they posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1320829781936640013 https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1320829781936640013
- panpanna 6y ago> They delivered multiple projects that were at least of comparable size. They also delivered Witcher 2, which - many years later - is still full of bugs and not playable on some HW.
- sbarre 6y agoWell sure they've delivered projects of this size before but as they said themselves, they've never had to test on this many platforms simultaneously, or do it all while working remotely.. So in fact this isn't something they've done before, so it's not _that_ surprising that they underestimated..
- throwaway3699 6y agoPeople are working from home, which I imagine gets harder the more creative a project is.
- s9w 6y agoBut wfh didn't change since their last delay, or their gold announcement.
- elorant 6y agoHow is this expensive? Almost all of the trailers I watched had in-game action, and only one featured Keanu and his bike company, which was obviously shot months ago.
- s9w 6y agoWell for starters, they all showed the wrong release date.
- wmf 6y agoAt least it will give people more time to get new hardware in place.
- theandrewbailey 6y agoThis game is the only reason I want to upgrade my GPU. Maybe there will be enough new Geforces or Radeons in stock by then.
- HelloNurse 6y agoIt might be an important marketing consideration: necessary hardware upgrades might be delaying Cyberpunk 2077 sales.
- deadbunny 6y agoAccording to their recommendations you should be fine with any mid-high level PC built in the last 3-4 years: Core i7-4790 or Ryzen 3 3200G GTX 1060 6GB or R9 Fury 12GB RAM 70GB SSD storage Windows 10 64-bit
- zamalek 6y agoThere is at least one 3rd-party benchmark available at this point. AMD is slightly, possibly margin of error, ahead of NVIDIA. Assuming that the benchmarks are good, that AMD will undercut NVIDIA (as they tend to do) and that you don't want to do ML, Radeon is probably going to be the one for those who have been waiting.
- theandrewbailey 6y agoAMD is holding the RDNA 2 reveal tomorrow: https://www.amd.com/en/events/gaming-2020 https://www.amd.com/en/events/gaming-2020 AMD has historically undercut Nvidia, but at a cost of power consumption, heat output, and feature set. Let's see what they have.
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- aphextron 6y ago>"Some of you might also be wondering what these words mean in light of us saying we achieved gold master some time ago. Passing certification, or 'going gold', means the game is ready, can be completed, and has all content in it. But it doesn't mean we stop working on it and raising the quality bar." No... that's actually exactly what it means. Going gold means the branch is cut, it's in the can, and discs are being printed. Just admit that you exaggerated for press coverage and get over it. No one really cares about another month delay, but lying about going gold is just bizarre.
- NikolaeVarius 6y agoGold has meant nothing since Day 0 patches became a thing.
- BurritoAlPastor 6y agoThey might actually be printing discs, though. Nowadays, multi-gigabyte day-one patches are commonplace, so all the disk is for is shipping art assets cheaply (and supporting legacy retail sales). So as long as the art assets are 95% done, that’s good enough to “go gold” and start printing.
- djitz 6y agoNothing says “We don’t give a shit; you gave us your money” quite like having to wait a couple of hours for an update immediately after installing a game.
- bloody-crow 6y agoThis is a weird logic I don't understand. People who don't give a shit don't crunch after the game has gone gold to make last minute improvements and fix more bugs. People who care do.
- djitz 6y agoThis has nothing to do with the programmers hustling to get the game done and everything to do with their superiors.
- jadbox 6y agoDon't get me wrong, I do love games and cyperpunk culture. But is this REALLY HN frontpage worthy?
- antiterra 6y agoAbsolutely. First it pertains to the persistent problem of projecting release dates and committing to them. More importantly, it adds data points to the story of CD Projekt Red getting press for bragging about no ‘mandatory’ crunch time and subsequently adopting a brutal mandatory crunch at the home stretch.
- nickthegreek 6y agoThey also told their staff there would be mandatory overtime after promising the community that would not be the case. And now it's being delayed, so does that mean the mandatory overtime just got extended another few weeks as well or did they delay it so that they could cancel the mandatory OT?
- dkersten 6y ago> brutal mandatory crunch It was my understanding that they asked people to work an extra 8 hours per week (the maximum under Polish law, for no more than 150 hours per year) and paid extra for it (again, as required by law). While this is definitely not ideal and crunch is, IMHO, due to project mismanagement, especially after promising they wouldn't, but I wouldn't exactly call this "brutal", especially considering that covid has messed up many people's plans. Now, if non-polish contractors got a worse deal, I don't know...
- reciprocity 6y agoPushing to release a "minimum viable product" over polishing games prior to launch is something more game development companies should do.
- baal80spam 6y agoGod forbid.
- capableweb 6y agoThat's what people asked for before and also what we got, "Early Access" games. But instead of getting games that steadily improve radically over a long period of time, you get unfinished games that get a bit of polish before "1.0" is released as a marketing update almost. Of couse, there are a few exceptions to this rule, like HNs favorite; Factorio, and Kerbal Space Program, Prison Architect, Rimworld are a few other examples. But most Early Access games released are in reality excuses for releasing something unfinished early, and only do small changes after that.
- leetcrew 6y ago> Factorio, and Kerbal Space Program the mvp model works well for games like this that aren't really story based. I'm always happy to start a new map in factorio to see what got added in the latest version. I'm not gonna go back and replay a 40+ hour rpg just to see what it's like with a few less bugs or a couple new cutscenes.
- throwaway3699 6y agoI suppose the closest thing for story games is an episodic model.
- danjac 6y agoDidn't No Man's Sky go down that route?
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- symlinkk 6y agoGood! More projects should be willing to delay releases to ensure the quality is where it needs to be.
- por0 6y agoExactly, especially when developers having been crunching it for the past months, I do believe all the extra delay will be the best thing for their health. After all, kids can’t have their shiny toy with minor bugs. It would be even better if devs were not told about the extra delay, and only got the news through social media like it happened.
- gojomo 6y agoThose people angry that a software corporation lied to them about the certainty of a product release should just consider the game to have started early. "Welcome to Cyberpunk 2020! All public statements are bottom-line-boosting propaganda, and if you want the real truth, or our software, so bad, break into our systems and take it."
- black_puppydog 6y agoI've been wondering for a while now how the cyberpunk setting holds any more water as fiction these days. It seems to mostly have grown into "this is simply our reality now."
- dkersten 6y agoExcept with more tech implants (which we might have soonish too if Neuralink works out, I guess) and urban decay.
- speeder 6y agoThe delay doesn't annoy me that much but the Day 0 patch trend does. Seriously why people can't just release 1.0 software that is 1.0 anymore? Although broadband now is widespread, in many situations people might not have it. Situations where day-0 patch is bad: 1. Countries or places with poor infrastructure 2. Rural areas 3. People using the software after many years when the server with the patch might be gone. Also there is the fact many companies abuse patches to add features they shouldn't or remove features (rootkits, DRM, or Paradox habit of removing features in a way to "encourage" people to buy DLC, or PS3 suddenly not supporting Linux anymore, and then there is Epic "hotfix") The possibility of having patches is good. The habit of patching is bad. Or course adding features and content over time is fine, but releasing software you know it is buggy intending to patch is later is not.
- rpastuszak 6y agoI'm not sure if that's still the case, but one of the main reasons were the publishing platforms and deadlines (@someone more knowledgeable, please correct me if I'm wrong!) : As a game developer you'd need to set the publishing date weeks if not months in advance. Due to the store policies, missing that slot would result in another, potentially very expensive, delay. Now, marketing is a significant part of the budget and you really want to sync your marketing campaign with the release date. Postponing the release by a few weeks is almost guaranteed to damage the sales drastically, to the point where it could kill your game before people even have a chance to learn about it. You're late. So what do you do? You release all of your fixes in a huge day-0 patch. It's still better than the alternative.
- bloody-crow 6y agoThe increasing overall complexity of the product itself and the diversity of platforms the product needs to ship on makes actual 1.0 nearly impossible. Games especially never ship as 1.0, they ship when the deadline comes and it's in somewhat playable state. No matter how much you delay, there will always be more shit to fix and letting it go is always a compromise.
- RobLach 6y agoI can't fathom the death march those employees are facing.
- lm28469 6y agoCyberpunk 2078
- emdowling 6y agoThe Twitter replies are absolutely brutal and overly aggressive towards the developers, but I do have some level of empathy for it. This is such a hotly-anticipated release and people are craving escapism in 2020, and this game is going to provide that for so many people. That said, the level of aggression is intense and crosses the line. Still, I feel sorry for the developers who were seriously in a Catch-22. They are (correctly, IMO) prioritising the right thing by focusing on quality over the short-term negativity from a very vocal group. I wish more companies would take this approach (or, in the case of Apple, rediscover this approach).
- rainonmoon 6y agoIt's not just that people want the game. Fans have been increasingly concerned in the past year about CDPR's history with crunch and incredibly negative reports about their workplace culture. There's a lot of concern that the people making the game they love have been working horrible hours for the past month and will now have to keep doing it for another month and a half. This is part of a broader concern over mismanagement of their human resources generally.
- LockAndLol 6y agoIt's Twitter. You can't expect any better there. That platform is worse than 4chan.
- hirundo 6y agoI've been eagerly waiting for this game to get my RPG fix, but recently the agony became too great and I bought Ghost of Tsushima instead. What a great game! Now I'm more glad I didn't wait. I can only play a couple of these sandbox monsters each year, so I'm penciling in Cyberpunk for 2077, when I can download it to my brain implant in the cryo tank.
- user568439 6y agoAre the physical disc games getting regular updates? What I mean is that besides the "GOTY edition" or "Platinum" and so on, if Cyberpunk 2077 gets a patch, are the discs produced after it automatically produced with the latest version? I probably will buy this game in January, but it bothers me to get a game that if I play 10 years later when the original updating service is no longer active, it may not be playable.