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So, the main question: why does a sales director have access to the security cameras? The culture, behaviour etc aside, that's the question I'd be asking this

by Chris2048 6y ago

So, the main question: why does a sales director have access to the security cameras? The culture, behaviour etc aside, that's the question I'd be asking this company.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>why does a sales director have access to the security cameras? So he can show off a real world use case to people who might buy it. He obviously can't be showing off client's installations.
- xnyan 6y ago
  So, you have a test setup. In addition to violating the privacy of the employee, I assume you could see the employee workstation and whatever information of an actual client that may be on screen.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    I never said there weren't other ways to accomplish the same goal.
  - michaelt 6y ago
    Probably easier to make the sale if you demonstrate a relaxed, unconcerned attitude towards camera privacy - "Of course your employees won't mind being spied on, ours don't!"
Nextgrid 6y ago
Presumably to demonstrate the product? I guess they have to "pinky swear" they'll only lookup people with their consent, but there was nothing technically preventing them from looking up anyone. On a similar note, I had a UK credit referencing agency salesman contact me and try to sell me their product; as part of the sales pitch he gave me credentials to their web UI and encouraged me to try it out; on there I saw their other leads' credit reports (including mine, which was empty as expected) and their trial attempts at looking up other companies, and had the possibility to look up any company or individual as long as I pinky-promised I had their consent, and even if I did have their consent, that data would still be exposed to anyone else having access to this demo account.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > to demonstrate the product ..and if they where a bioinformatics company, would sales have access to employee health records? Security cam info is sensitive, I see no reason anyone but security should have access to it. testing and demos? create purpose-built test data. Even if you need to use real data, the last thing that should be used is that of fellow employees that you actually know, and therefore have greater scope to act on maliciously.

So, the main question: why does a sales director have access to the security cameras? The culture, behaviour etc aside, that's the question I'd be asking this company.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

>why does a sales director have access to the security cameras? So he can show off a real world use case to people who might buy it. He obviously can't be showing off client's installations.

xnyan 6y ago
So, you have a test setup. In addition to violating the privacy of the employee, I assume you could see the employee workstation and whatever information of an actual client that may be on screen.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  I never said there weren't other ways to accomplish the same goal.
- michaelt 6y ago
  Probably easier to make the sale if you demonstrate a relaxed, unconcerned attitude towards camera privacy - "Of course your employees won't mind being spied on, ours don't!"

Nextgrid 6y ago

Presumably to demonstrate the product? I guess they have to "pinky swear" they'll only lookup people with their consent, but there was nothing technically preventing them from looking up anyone. On a similar note, I had a UK credit referencing agency salesman contact me and try to sell me their product; as part of the sales pitch he gave me credentials to their web UI and encouraged me to try it out; on there I saw their other leads' credit reports (including mine, which was empty as expected) and their trial attempts at looking up other companies, and had the possibility to look up any company or individual as long as I pinky-promised I had their consent, and even if I did have their consent, that data would still be exposed to anyone else having access to this demo account.

Chris2048 6y ago
> to demonstrate the product ..and if they where a bioinformatics company, would sales have access to employee health records? Security cam info is sensitive, I see no reason anyone but security should have access to it. testing and demos? create purpose-built test data. Even if you need to use real data, the last thing that should be used is that of fellow employees that you actually know, and therefore have greater scope to act on maliciously.