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What the hell happened to Apple guys?

17 points by DanielBMarkham 16y ago

superchink 16y ago
Wait… Apple was collecting the location data? I thought it was just being synced to your computer. Anyone know either way? A reference would help, as well.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  It talks about it in the FAQ they put out. Crowd sourced database and all. They are even talking about building a product based on the data with regards to traffic and directions. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html
scrame 16y ago
> Remember how Apple guys used to be? Hip, smart, creative -- perhaps a subtle hint of smugness and self satisfaction -- but fiercely free thinkers? Uh, no? Thats the marketing image that apple always portrayed as a 'lifestyle' brand. Some amount of their customers certainly liked to think of themselves that way, but simply owning a premium piece of hardware does not make you any of those things. Nowadays apple is a wildly successful consumer products manufacturer, owning the same phone as all of your friends does not make you a 'fiercely free thinker', any more than having a blueberry iMac in 1996 did. edit added a bit more, but removed it.
merloen 16y ago
Well, I think this reaction to the Apple location issue show a lack of perspective. Apple stores the location of nearby cell towers and access points on your phone. Cell phone providers store your actual location for a period of many months. This is bad, terrible, uber-creepy: http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschutz/2011-03/data-protection-malte-spitz http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschutz/2011-03/data-protecti... What Apple is doing now is not even in the same ballpark.
- GiraffeNecktie 16y ago
  How is it not in the same ballpark? It's the same data being quietly collected without consent from the same people for various vaguely articulated purposes and being kept for extended periods of time. How is this different? It's the same game, only the team colours have changed. In fact, it's plausible that the cell phone companies have a more legitimate interest in tracking location since understanding where devices are used is fundamental to their business of providing cell phone service. Furthermore, there are other implications to having location data cached on the phone since the border guards in a number of countries including the US are authorized to snoop on any devices they find. The phone company data would (at least theoretically) require some kind of court order.
  - junklight 16y ago
    So seriously? you think that the risk I might go through a border crossing and have data that I know is there taken without warrant is the same as cell phone companies holding the same data (it's just the other end of the connection) and being able to sell it, provide access to it, whatever without any oversight on my part at all? I can wipe my phone data, I know if someone has gotten a warrant to see it. and lets face it if you use a phone and a credit card your broad movements (which is all you can tell from this data) can be worked out anyway. If you don't want someone to know your location then this is small potatoes in the ways you are going to need to change your behaviour

Wait… Apple was collecting the location data? I thought it was just being synced to your computer. Anyone know either way? A reference would help, as well.

jasonlotito 16y ago
It talks about it in the FAQ they put out. Crowd sourced database and all. They are even talking about building a product based on the data with regards to traffic and directions. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html

scrame 16y ago

> Remember how Apple guys used to be? Hip, smart, creative -- perhaps a subtle hint of smugness and self satisfaction -- but fiercely free thinkers? Uh, no? Thats the marketing image that apple always portrayed as a 'lifestyle' brand. Some amount of their customers certainly liked to think of themselves that way, but simply owning a premium piece of hardware does not make you any of those things. Nowadays apple is a wildly successful consumer products manufacturer, owning the same phone as all of your friends does not make you a 'fiercely free thinker', any more than having a blueberry iMac in 1996 did. edit added a bit more, but removed it.

merloen 16y ago

Well, I think this reaction to the Apple location issue show a lack of perspective. Apple stores the location of nearby cell towers and access points on your phone. Cell phone providers store your actual location for a period of many months. This is bad, terrible, uber-creepy: http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschutz/2011-03/data-protection-malte-spitz http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschutz/2011-03/data-protecti... What Apple is doing now is not even in the same ballpark.

GiraffeNecktie 16y ago
How is it not in the same ballpark? It's the same data being quietly collected without consent from the same people for various vaguely articulated purposes and being kept for extended periods of time. How is this different? It's the same game, only the team colours have changed. In fact, it's plausible that the cell phone companies have a more legitimate interest in tracking location since understanding where devices are used is fundamental to their business of providing cell phone service. Furthermore, there are other implications to having location data cached on the phone since the border guards in a number of countries including the US are authorized to snoop on any devices they find. The phone company data would (at least theoretically) require some kind of court order.
- junklight 16y ago
  So seriously? you think that the risk I might go through a border crossing and have data that I know is there taken without warrant is the same as cell phone companies holding the same data (it's just the other end of the connection) and being able to sell it, provide access to it, whatever without any oversight on my part at all? I can wipe my phone data, I know if someone has gotten a warrant to see it. and lets face it if you use a phone and a credit card your broad movements (which is all you can tell from this data) can be worked out anyway. If you don't want someone to know your location then this is small potatoes in the ways you are going to need to change your behaviour