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Personally I'm not fond of Microsoft embracing anything I use.

by a_imho 6y ago

royjacobs 6y ago
That's a very unfortunate point of view to take, stuck in the mists of time. Wouldn't it be better to be forward-looking instead?
- akiselev 6y ago
  Embrace (GP) => Extend (looking forward) => Extinguish (We wanted the best, but it turned out like always)
  - royjacobs 6y ago
    I find it quite a mental leap to go from "Microsoft improved connection scalability in Postgres" to "Microsoft is going to extinguish Postgres, arguably the most popular open-source database in existence".
    - akiselev 6y ago
      Times have changed, economic incentives have not. Linux, Postgres, et al will survive but have no doubt that Microsoft will try to extinguish them. EEE is not some discredited strategy from Gates era Microsoft that magically vanished with a few executive changes, it is a fundamental defense mechanism of umbrella enterprises driven largely by a bunch of little decisions by self interested actors at all levels of the hierarchy. Gates' Microsoft helped give it a name with a catchy alliteration, but Nadella's Microsoft will define what that phrase means in the cloud era.
- throwaway189262 6y ago
  Maybe this will be more like Chrome than IE. Lightning fast and powerfully invasive
- a_imho 6y ago
  In general I don't think $enterprise hearting open source is a good thing in the long run. Even if there are accidental benefits, the incentives are just not aligned. I also find Microsoft to be one of the most evil, invasive and user hostile tech company out there despite their recent PR deluge. My opinion is pretty much set in stone at this point but I welcome anyone to cheerlead them if they so wish.
  - yonifei 6y ago
    Would love to hear more regarding Microsoft evil, invasive and user hostile. I've certainly consumed the last ~5 year PR propaganda, and am not aware of the bad stuff?
    - a_imho 6y ago
      I fail to see how Windows is not the epitome of user abuse, granted I only occasionally have to use it nowadays so might be off. For starters migrating users to Windows 10 via dark UIs and even forced upgrades. Generally abusing the update channel and forcing updates users be damned. Enabling and re-enabling telemetry. Adding and re-adding Microsoft services people did not ask for. Ads in the Windows start menu. Intercepting installation of Firefox/Chrome. In other news Microsoft just recently extended GitHub with certifications after embracing it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24855453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24855453 Personally I also dislike their sales tactics, at uni I had my fair share of Sponsored by MS classes, using .NET and Visual Studio. Just search for Microsoft at the bottom of this page really.
- mulmen 6y ago
  Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, you might be Microsoft.

Personally I'm not fond of Microsoft embracing anything I use.

by a_imho 6y ago

Personally I'm not fond of Microsoft embracing anything I use.

That's a very unfortunate point of view to take, stuck in the mists of time. Wouldn't it be better to be forward-looking instead?

akiselev 6y ago
Embrace (GP) => Extend (looking forward) => Extinguish (We wanted the best, but it turned out like always)
- royjacobs 6y ago
  I find it quite a mental leap to go from "Microsoft improved connection scalability in Postgres" to "Microsoft is going to extinguish Postgres, arguably the most popular open-source database in existence".
  - akiselev 6y ago
    Times have changed, economic incentives have not. Linux, Postgres, et al will survive but have no doubt that Microsoft will try to extinguish them. EEE is not some discredited strategy from Gates era Microsoft that magically vanished with a few executive changes, it is a fundamental defense mechanism of umbrella enterprises driven largely by a bunch of little decisions by self interested actors at all levels of the hierarchy. Gates' Microsoft helped give it a name with a catchy alliteration, but Nadella's Microsoft will define what that phrase means in the cloud era.
throwaway189262 6y ago
Maybe this will be more like Chrome than IE. Lightning fast and powerfully invasive
a_imho 6y ago
In general I don't think $enterprise hearting open source is a good thing in the long run. Even if there are accidental benefits, the incentives are just not aligned. I also find Microsoft to be one of the most evil, invasive and user hostile tech company out there despite their recent PR deluge. My opinion is pretty much set in stone at this point but I welcome anyone to cheerlead them if they so wish.
- yonifei 6y ago
  Would love to hear more regarding Microsoft evil, invasive and user hostile. I've certainly consumed the last ~5 year PR propaganda, and am not aware of the bad stuff?
  - a_imho 6y ago
    I fail to see how Windows is not the epitome of user abuse, granted I only occasionally have to use it nowadays so might be off. For starters migrating users to Windows 10 via dark UIs and even forced upgrades. Generally abusing the update channel and forcing updates users be damned. Enabling and re-enabling telemetry. Adding and re-adding Microsoft services people did not ask for. Ads in the Windows start menu. Intercepting installation of Firefox/Chrome. In other news Microsoft just recently extended GitHub with certifications after embracing it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24855453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24855453 Personally I also dislike their sales tactics, at uni I had my fair share of Sponsored by MS classes, using .NET and Visual Studio. Just search for Microsoft at the bottom of this page really.
mulmen 6y ago
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, you might be Microsoft.