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Numbers mean nothing. I give you a million road sweepers and you won't end up with any product at all. Talent is gravitating towards US - that's an undeniable

Numbers mean nothing. I give you a million road sweepers and you won't end up with any product at all. Talent is gravitating towards US - that's an undeniable fact.

xwdv 6y ago
I tend to agree, the business climate in India holds back any serious startups with global aspirations. Eventually they come to find ground in the US.
arthtyagi 6y ago
I'd have to disagree. Only partly though. You mentioned a well established phenomenon, brain drain and it's true that the Indian talent gravitates towards the Silicon Valley or for the most part at least tries to but this is the point of the article as well, this phenomenon is slowing down a bit, not as much Indians gravitate with their startups to the US as they did say, a decade ago. This shows progress and this is what the whole point is, progress. With the extreme H1B conditions at the moment, it's unlikely people will take extra steps to just get to the US when they can try setting it up in India.
- cmdshiftf4 6y ago
  >With the extreme H1B conditions at the moment, it's unlikely people will take extra steps to just get to the US when they can try setting it up in India. Would those interested in H1Bs but who are struggling to get one not simply go to Canada instead?
  - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
    Or Europe.
    - crossroadsguy 6y ago
      I don't know how many would face this issue but I personally can't live in a place where winters are too cold and too gloomy and too indoor. We are a warm country in general. Even the winters in the plains are pretty open and outdoorsy during daytime.
    - cmdshiftf4 6y ago
      Why would Europe be an attractive proposition for people leaving India?
  - nine_zeros 6y ago
    Not necessarily. Life in Canada is monetarily not so easy. Tech careers in India are more like America of the 90s. Companies popping up every year, a large bidding ecosystem and yet most population is not even fully super educated. A tech worker in India can hire someone to come home everyday and cook hot meals while they themselves work on side projects or their startups or maybe even buy a motorcycle and take a trip around the country (barring covid). Such lives are pretty much impossible in Canada, even for a developer.
    - sage76 6y ago
      This comment shows a fundamental lack of understanding of life in India.
      - arthtyagi 6y ago
        And how would you come to that conclusion? By your logic, no place has an understanding of life.
      - crossroadsguy 6y ago
        Would you rather not call it "my understanding of life"? Or was that implied? If so, please expand on that.
      - sombremesa 6y ago
        I agree with you 100%. QoL in India and Canada aren't even close to being comparable, it's like weighing a cruise liner and a paper boat on the same kitchen scale. It only takes a short visit to Indian news sites to see the true state of things. (Example: https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/oct/27/dalit-youth-burnt-to-death-in-rajasthan-over-row-on-unpaid-wages-2215479.html https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/oct/27/dalit-yo...) The other child comments on your comment seem incoherent. I wonder what's up with that.
billfruit 6y ago
But the rate of that is slowing is what is likely happening. Compared with low cost of operating in the third world, more ideas are viable than would be viable in the US, because of grossly higher costs in the US.
GlennS 6y ago
You're right that a lot of talented people immigrate to the US, (and emigrate from India in general), but India is very populous. The number of talented Indians who don't leave their country must be many times higher.
- crossroadsguy 6y ago
  Not to mention the fact that a student who didn't prepare/cram for their life in/after class 10+2 to get into IIT/NIT/IIIT is a substandard engineer; not at all. That's just engineering I've mentioned. There are lots of them. There are literally millions who are in India and would probably stay in India who are really capable. Of course there are millions who are not.

Numbers mean nothing. I give you a million road sweepers and you won't end up with any product at all. Talent is gravitating towards US - that's an undeniable fact.

xwdv 6y ago

I tend to agree, the business climate in India holds back any serious startups with global aspirations. Eventually they come to find ground in the US.

arthtyagi 6y ago

I'd have to disagree. Only partly though. You mentioned a well established phenomenon, brain drain and it's true that the Indian talent gravitates towards the Silicon Valley or for the most part at least tries to but this is the point of the article as well, this phenomenon is slowing down a bit, not as much Indians gravitate with their startups to the US as they did say, a decade ago. This shows progress and this is what the whole point is, progress. With the extreme H1B conditions at the moment, it's unlikely people will take extra steps to just get to the US when they can try setting it up in India.

cmdshiftf4 6y ago
>With the extreme H1B conditions at the moment, it's unlikely people will take extra steps to just get to the US when they can try setting it up in India. Would those interested in H1Bs but who are struggling to get one not simply go to Canada instead?
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  Or Europe.
  - crossroadsguy 6y ago
    I don't know how many would face this issue but I personally can't live in a place where winters are too cold and too gloomy and too indoor. We are a warm country in general. Even the winters in the plains are pretty open and outdoorsy during daytime.
  - cmdshiftf4 6y ago
    Why would Europe be an attractive proposition for people leaving India?
- nine_zeros 6y ago
  Not necessarily. Life in Canada is monetarily not so easy. Tech careers in India are more like America of the 90s. Companies popping up every year, a large bidding ecosystem and yet most population is not even fully super educated. A tech worker in India can hire someone to come home everyday and cook hot meals while they themselves work on side projects or their startups or maybe even buy a motorcycle and take a trip around the country (barring covid). Such lives are pretty much impossible in Canada, even for a developer.
  - sage76 6y ago
    This comment shows a fundamental lack of understanding of life in India.
    - arthtyagi 6y ago
      And how would you come to that conclusion? By your logic, no place has an understanding of life.
    - crossroadsguy 6y ago
      Would you rather not call it "my understanding of life"? Or was that implied? If so, please expand on that.
    - sombremesa 6y ago
      I agree with you 100%. QoL in India and Canada aren't even close to being comparable, it's like weighing a cruise liner and a paper boat on the same kitchen scale. It only takes a short visit to Indian news sites to see the true state of things. (Example: https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/oct/27/dalit-youth-burnt-to-death-in-rajasthan-over-row-on-unpaid-wages-2215479.html https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2020/oct/27/dalit-yo...) The other child comments on your comment seem incoherent. I wonder what's up with that.

billfruit 6y ago

But the rate of that is slowing is what is likely happening. Compared with low cost of operating in the third world, more ideas are viable than would be viable in the US, because of grossly higher costs in the US.

GlennS 6y ago

You're right that a lot of talented people immigrate to the US, (and emigrate from India in general), but India is very populous. The number of talented Indians who don't leave their country must be many times higher.

crossroadsguy 6y ago
Not to mention the fact that a student who didn't prepare/cram for their life in/after class 10+2 to get into IIT/NIT/IIIT is a substandard engineer; not at all. That's just engineering I've mentioned. There are lots of them. There are literally millions who are in India and would probably stay in India who are really capable. Of course there are millions who are not.