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> ICE contracts...You know, the guys who forcibly castrate women Whatever your feelings on ICE, this story was never substantiated and you shouldn't be repeati

by imgabe 6y ago

> ICE contracts...You know, the guys who forcibly castrate women Whatever your feelings on ICE, this story was never substantiated and you shouldn't be repeating it as though it's an established fact. This is how disinformation spreads. People just casually repeat things as if they're common knowledge. Soon everybody just "knows", no matter whether it was ever true to begin with. It's lazy and irresponsible. Stop it.

dredmorbius 6y ago
"According to ICE ... two such procedures have been performed on detainees there since 2018." "ICE officials on Tuesday promised to cooperate with an investigation" (Reported 15 Sept 2020). https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/15/ice-covid-irwin-complaint-nurse/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/15/ice-covid-i...
- imgabe 6y ago
  "Two such procedures" refers to two hysterectomies. Not forced hysterectomies. Presumably medically necessary ones. It is conceivable that out of thousands of detainees over two years, there might be two who needed a hysterectomy for some reason, and ICE provided them with the necessary medical care, as determined by the doctors in their employ charged with looking after the welfare of the detainees. > The report did not detail any detainees who said they had received a hysterectomy against their will; Right there in the same article. Even the whistleblower's statement implies that there is one doctor doing it (though again, this is unsubstantiated), not that it is an official policy of ICE as the comment above implies. ("the guys who forcibly castrate women") I'm not trying to say ICE is great or never did anything wrong. I don't know. I'm saying we can't go around casually repeating unsubstantiated rumors as though they are gospel truths - even if they really, really seem like they would be true because they totally confirm all of our preconceived notions about the subject. Information is sloshing around the world faster than ever and this kind of sloppiness is literally destroying civilization.
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dredmorbius 6y ago

"According to ICE ... two such procedures have been performed on detainees there since 2018." "ICE officials on Tuesday promised to cooperate with an investigation" (Reported 15 Sept 2020). https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/15/ice-covid-irwin-complaint-nurse/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/15/ice-covid-i...

imgabe 6y ago
"Two such procedures" refers to two hysterectomies. Not forced hysterectomies. Presumably medically necessary ones. It is conceivable that out of thousands of detainees over two years, there might be two who needed a hysterectomy for some reason, and ICE provided them with the necessary medical care, as determined by the doctors in their employ charged with looking after the welfare of the detainees. > The report did not detail any detainees who said they had received a hysterectomy against their will; Right there in the same article. Even the whistleblower's statement implies that there is one doctor doing it (though again, this is unsubstantiated), not that it is an official policy of ICE as the comment above implies. ("the guys who forcibly castrate women") I'm not trying to say ICE is great or never did anything wrong. I don't know. I'm saying we can't go around casually repeating unsubstantiated rumors as though they are gospel truths - even if they really, really seem like they would be true because they totally confirm all of our preconceived notions about the subject. Information is sloshing around the world faster than ever and this kind of sloppiness is literally destroying civilization.
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