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“A young man who "liked" a gruesome Twitter picture showing French teacher Samuel Paty after he was murdered has been charged with glorifying terrorism... ... B

“A young man who "liked" a gruesome Twitter picture showing French teacher Samuel Paty after he was murdered has been charged with glorifying terrorism... ... But in France, which has a long tradition of satirising religion, they are seen as symbolic of free speech.” Free speech, or no free speech?

k2enemy 6y ago
Yes, there is a certain irony that his criminal charges seem to be a violation of free speech.
jwagenet 6y ago
>But in France, which has a long tradition of satirising religion, [Depictions of the Prophet Mohammed] are seen as symbolic of free speech.
colechristensen 6y ago
In France? Freedom of expression is somewhat less than in the US, and is biased towards secularism. So yes, blasphemy is protected while expression involving violence or religion is more limited.
- soco 6y ago
  Maybe also because blasphemous cartoons don't kill people.
staticautomatic 6y ago
Does France also charge people with crimes for liking Weegee photographs?
rcstank 6y ago
I think free speech stops at the point where a photo of a severed head is posted by the murderer and people “liking” it as well.
- khazhoux 6y ago
  I can't browse NextDoor on my phone without accidentally Liking a post or comment while scrolling, because of the crappy way they're handling touchDown events. As a result, I've Liked missing dogs, people getting hit by cars, and a bunch of random shit.
  - soco 6y ago
    The guy was on the suspects list already and I highly doubt the services would get bothered with random likes.
- tartoran 6y ago
  Agree. That imagery far from free speech and shouldn’t be encouraged to fester. On the other hand any bad actor can simply operate on private channels and become even less visible or harder to detect
- pessimizer 6y ago
  What if somebody says: "I like that the teacher was murdered." Should they be jailed until they don't like it?
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ggggtez 6y ago
Spoken like someone who hasn't thought much about the speech laws in the USA. In the USA, people are routinely arrested for the same kind of thing, although usually by the FBI, and only after they've made concrete plans for their attacks. But just look at the kidnapping story from last week, and you'll recall that the FBI had already infiltrated and been watching that group for months. How do you think the FBI decided to infiltrate them? Do you think it was because they just guessed randomly? No, it obviously was because the FBI had monitored their group on social media, and seen that they were liking and commenting violent content. Is this really all that different? This person had already been on their watchlist for clearly some time.

k2enemy 6y ago

Yes, there is a certain irony that his criminal charges seem to be a violation of free speech.

jwagenet 6y ago

>But in France, which has a long tradition of satirising religion, [Depictions of the Prophet Mohammed] are seen as symbolic of free speech.

colechristensen 6y ago

In France? Freedom of expression is somewhat less than in the US, and is biased towards secularism. So yes, blasphemy is protected while expression involving violence or religion is more limited.

soco 6y ago
Maybe also because blasphemous cartoons don't kill people.

staticautomatic 6y ago

Does France also charge people with crimes for liking Weegee photographs?

rcstank 6y ago

I think free speech stops at the point where a photo of a severed head is posted by the murderer and people “liking” it as well.

khazhoux 6y ago
I can't browse NextDoor on my phone without accidentally Liking a post or comment while scrolling, because of the crappy way they're handling touchDown events. As a result, I've Liked missing dogs, people getting hit by cars, and a bunch of random shit.
- soco 6y ago
  The guy was on the suspects list already and I highly doubt the services would get bothered with random likes.
tartoran 6y ago
Agree. That imagery far from free speech and shouldn’t be encouraged to fester. On the other hand any bad actor can simply operate on private channels and become even less visible or harder to detect
pessimizer 6y ago
What if somebody says: "I like that the teacher was murdered." Should they be jailed until they don't like it?
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ggggtez 6y ago

Spoken like someone who hasn't thought much about the speech laws in the USA. In the USA, people are routinely arrested for the same kind of thing, although usually by the FBI, and only after they've made concrete plans for their attacks. But just look at the kidnapping story from last week, and you'll recall that the FBI had already infiltrated and been watching that group for months. How do you think the FBI decided to infiltrate them? Do you think it was because they just guessed randomly? No, it obviously was because the FBI had monitored their group on social media, and seen that they were liking and commenting violent content. Is this really all that different? This person had already been on their watchlist for clearly some time.