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Well, the rest will become immune the natural way fairly quickly: By contracting the virus. Once a vaccine is available and a large share of the population eit

Well, the rest will become immune the natural way fairly quickly: By contracting the virus. Once a vaccine is available and a large share of the population either has been vaccinated or has the opportunity to be vaccinated maintaining the current measures can't be justified anymore.

rusk 6y ago
Nooooooo - how are people still saying this. There is little evidence at this stage that immunity can be gained in this way, for this particular virus.
- refurb 6y ago
  If they get over the virus then they developed an immune response that won’t go away immediately. The question is how long does it last? Even if it lasts only 6 months, that’s still 6 months of protection.
  - rusk 6y ago
    Yes, and that is not what people think of when you say “immunity”
    - refurb 6y ago
      Really? All immunity is limited in time. That’s why we give booster shots.
      - BjoernKW 6y ago
        Unfortunately and with COVID-19 in particular, many aspects seem to have become a matter of all-or-nothing propositions: "The pandemic will only ever be over once the disease has been eliminated and there are no COVID19-related deaths or long-term effects anymore." "Either the vaccine works in 100 per cent of cases or it doesn't work at all." "It's either complete immunity for life or no immunity at all."
      - rusk 6y ago
        Well obviously. I’m saying there is little evidence for even this level of immunity. You can get the disease, recover, and then catch it again. There are other factors such as frequency of exposure and viral load. It’s not like the flu where you catch it and you develop a resistance.
- BjoernKW 6y ago
  There absolutely is evidence of this. It's just not "immunity for life", which is what people commonly seem to think of when they're talking about immunity. When you've had an infection with one of those rather harmless yet still pesky other coronaviruses - otherwise known as the common cold - you're also immune, for a limited period of time, that is.
  - rusk 6y ago
    There are plenty of cases of people being reinfected quite quickly and frequency of exposure also seems to correlate with serious illness ... the science is still very much “out” on this.
    - BjoernKW 6y ago
      The fastest reinfections known so far have occurred after about 6 months and those cases are still mostly anecdotal (also due to a lack of data).
      - rusk 6y ago
        There is no anecdotal data for immunity either.
        BjoernKW 6y ago
        “We conclude that neutralizing antibodies are stably produced for at least 5-7 months after SARS-CoV-2 infection,” the team of researchers, lead by Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunobiologist at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, wrote in their report." https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know#What-we-currently-know-about-COVID-19-immunity https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunit...
        rusk 6y ago
        Interesting. This research is apparently just a few weeks old. I look forward to seeing it corroborated and replicated! EDIT no mention of it in Nature's covid roundup [0]. They must be censoring the research. I've tried googling the author and he seems to be some form of contrarian. [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

rusk 6y ago

Nooooooo - how are people still saying this. There is little evidence at this stage that immunity can be gained in this way, for this particular virus.

refurb 6y ago
If they get over the virus then they developed an immune response that won’t go away immediately. The question is how long does it last? Even if it lasts only 6 months, that’s still 6 months of protection.
- rusk 6y ago
  Yes, and that is not what people think of when you say “immunity”
  - refurb 6y ago
    Really? All immunity is limited in time. That’s why we give booster shots.
    - BjoernKW 6y ago
      Unfortunately and with COVID-19 in particular, many aspects seem to have become a matter of all-or-nothing propositions: "The pandemic will only ever be over once the disease has been eliminated and there are no COVID19-related deaths or long-term effects anymore." "Either the vaccine works in 100 per cent of cases or it doesn't work at all." "It's either complete immunity for life or no immunity at all."
    - rusk 6y ago
      Well obviously. I’m saying there is little evidence for even this level of immunity. You can get the disease, recover, and then catch it again. There are other factors such as frequency of exposure and viral load. It’s not like the flu where you catch it and you develop a resistance.
BjoernKW 6y ago
There absolutely is evidence of this. It's just not "immunity for life", which is what people commonly seem to think of when they're talking about immunity. When you've had an infection with one of those rather harmless yet still pesky other coronaviruses - otherwise known as the common cold - you're also immune, for a limited period of time, that is.
- rusk 6y ago
  There are plenty of cases of people being reinfected quite quickly and frequency of exposure also seems to correlate with serious illness ... the science is still very much “out” on this.
  - BjoernKW 6y ago
    The fastest reinfections known so far have occurred after about 6 months and those cases are still mostly anecdotal (also due to a lack of data).
    - rusk 6y ago
      There is no anecdotal data for immunity either.
      - BjoernKW 6y ago
        “We conclude that neutralizing antibodies are stably produced for at least 5-7 months after SARS-CoV-2 infection,” the team of researchers, lead by Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunobiologist at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, wrote in their report." https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know#What-we-currently-know-about-COVID-19-immunity https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunit...
        rusk 6y ago
        Interesting. This research is apparently just a few weeks old. I look forward to seeing it corroborated and replicated! EDIT no mention of it in Nature's covid roundup [0]. They must be censoring the research. I've tried googling the author and he seems to be some form of contrarian. [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w