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> I'm worn out by slight variations on the same old pitch: 'here's a database with a UI, and we'll host the database!'. AKA - I learned how to make a CRUD app

by ar_lan 6y ago

> I'm worn out by slight variations on the same old pitch: 'here's a database with a UI, and we'll host the database!'. AKA - I learned how to make a CRUD app - pay me money (or your data) for it!

ozim 6y ago
Database with UI and CRUD apps are generally OK, because there is still loads of people who cannot do that and they something like that. What I don't like are "personal productivity applications", because those seem like they are created by people without imagination. Making another TODO app with email remainders, quantified self, CRM's to manage connections with friends and family. Those kind of apps that are created by "self improvement nerds" for people like them. Problem is those apps never solve any real world issues. Because people who are self improvement nerds would rather build their own system and people who don't care about it won't use it. For me those apps are in category of self improvement books. Where for most of the people investment in self improvement system quickly goes above return on that investment. Just when you start tweaking your .vimrc and at the end of the day instead of doing work you just played with your settings. Using such tools and tweaking those will quickly end up in using tool instead of actually living ones life. When you know your uncle Ted does not like you, using system that reminds you about his birthday is not going to change that. You are not going to become millionaire by using some system that "millionaires use". Using Elon Musk time management is not going to make you successful owner of multiple companies if you are working 9-5 drone job.
- nicbou 6y ago
  This is fine if you enjoy it. Sometimes it's fun to build overkill solutions. The goal isn't the productivity gains, but to enjoy the process itself.
austenallred 6y ago
That’s like 99% of software. Is people building software and selling it really that crazy?
- nathanganser 6y ago
  Interesting to read those points of view. There are really many different ways to look at things... :P But to me at least, building a CRUD app that makes someone's life 10x better is worth a lot :) (even though our app is much more than just a crud app!)
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Even making someone's life 10x better with a simplest of CRUD apps is not in itself a justification for offering a Faustian bargain. Because it's not the CRUD part that's the problem, but the part in which the vendor owns the database and means to access it.

by ar_lan 6y ago

> I'm worn out by slight variations on the same old pitch: 'here's a database with a UI, and we'll host the database!'. AKA - I learned how to make a CRUD app - pay me money (or your data) for it!

ozim 6y ago

Database with UI and CRUD apps are generally OK, because there is still loads of people who cannot do that and they something like that. What I don't like are "personal productivity applications", because those seem like they are created by people without imagination. Making another TODO app with email remainders, quantified self, CRM's to manage connections with friends and family. Those kind of apps that are created by "self improvement nerds" for people like them. Problem is those apps never solve any real world issues. Because people who are self improvement nerds would rather build their own system and people who don't care about it won't use it. For me those apps are in category of self improvement books. Where for most of the people investment in self improvement system quickly goes above return on that investment. Just when you start tweaking your .vimrc and at the end of the day instead of doing work you just played with your settings. Using such tools and tweaking those will quickly end up in using tool instead of actually living ones life. When you know your uncle Ted does not like you, using system that reminds you about his birthday is not going to change that. You are not going to become millionaire by using some system that "millionaires use". Using Elon Musk time management is not going to make you successful owner of multiple companies if you are working 9-5 drone job.

nicbou 6y ago
This is fine if you enjoy it. Sometimes it's fun to build overkill solutions. The goal isn't the productivity gains, but to enjoy the process itself.

austenallred 6y ago

That’s like 99% of software. Is people building software and selling it really that crazy?

nathanganser 6y ago
Interesting to read those points of view. There are really many different ways to look at things... :P But to me at least, building a CRUD app that makes someone's life 10x better is worth a lot :) (even though our app is much more than just a crud app!)
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Even making someone's life 10x better with a simplest of CRUD apps is not in itself a justification for offering a Faustian bargain. Because it's not the CRUD part that's the problem, but the part in which the vendor owns the database and means to access it.