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you mean i would predict but not contribute? yes.

by utxaa 6y ago

sergeykish 6y ago
no, like in "preach the end of the world", contribution and prediction requires intimate knowledge, preaching does not
- eesmith 6y ago
  My grandfather was a preacher and a millennialist, which means he thought the world would end soon. He based this out of his intimate knowledge of the Bible, spanning over 60 years of study. He was also a missionary who starting churches and had a radio show. Surely that fulfills both contribution and prediction. I therefore disagree with your characterization. Now, he appears to have been wrong, but just like preachers may be wrong, critics may also be right even without contribution.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    I am sorry for your grandfather. He knew Bible and he was right by his interpretation of Bible. In programming world word is reality, there is only one meaning. Those who know word forge reality. This requires knowledge. Critics who do not posses knowledge appeal to emotions, spread FUD. They may be right by coincidence like standing clocks.
    - eesmith 6y ago
      What one meaning does "preach" have in the programming world? Because I think you used it wrong.
      - sergeykish 6y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=preach https://www.google.com/search?q=preach I've described context. You've confirmed it. Statement supported not by fact but by inner voice. My morale stems from Christianity, I believe Enlightenment got it right — discovery of nature is discovery of God. I've been to church, I've seen priest who shared joy. I've seen other priests, I would rather not see them. X.Org developer described what's wrong with the project [1]. Not one of the Wayland critiques addressed his points. They have no facts, they just want it to fail. Those who work hard and share for free get anger in return. Sway / wlroots maintainer (ddevault) got off the edge from this misinformation and I do not agree with him but I am not maintainer either. Where is love and God in this story? > That’s not even considering any personal goals, which I have vanishingly little time for. I get zero exercise, and though my diet is mostly reasonable the majority of it is delivery unless I get the odd 2 hours to visit the grocery store. That is, unless I want to spend those 2 hours with my friends, which means it’s back to delivery. My dating life is almost nonexistent. I want to spend more time studying Japanese, but it’s either that or keeping up with my leisure reading. Lofty goals of also studying Chinese or Arabic are but dust in the wind. I’m addicted to caffeine, again. > Less healthy ways have included walking to the corner store to buy unhealthy comfort foods, consuming alcohol or weed too much or too often, getting in stupid internet arguments, being mean to my friends and colleagues, and googling myself to read negative comments. [3] That's story behind Linux infrastructure. Because of such work I have Linux and I am grateful for it, but no mob wants to finish them. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 [3] https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html
        eesmith 6y ago
        My observation is that "preach" is orthogonal to contribution. Which is why I think it's the wrong term, and why utxaa was confused. Your link to Google for a dictionary definition says: 1) deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church. This wasn't a sermon or religious address, and HN isn't church. 2) publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief). Okay, so posting a comment on HN is public, which means we're all preaching? This doesn't seem what you mean. 3) earnestly advocate (a belief or course of action). This is the closest. However, "this is all going to end in X12" seem far from earnest advocacy. Your own comments seem far more earnest - are you not also preaching? It's far easier for me to believe you simply used the wrong term.
        sergeykish 6y ago
        "preach the end of the world" does not contribute to the facts based world. Even if you don't agree with that I'm fine to end this discussion.
- utxaa 6y ago
  why do you assume i don't know what i'm talking about?
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    Please address [1] or you don't know what you are talking about. Similar point in next post [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24922936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24922936
    - utxaa 6y ago
      i either address [1] or i don't know what i'm talking about? sure pal, you got it.

you mean i would predict but not contribute? yes.

by utxaa 6y ago

you mean i would predict but not contribute? yes.

sergeykish 6y ago

no, like in "preach the end of the world", contribution and prediction requires intimate knowledge, preaching does not

eesmith 6y ago
My grandfather was a preacher and a millennialist, which means he thought the world would end soon. He based this out of his intimate knowledge of the Bible, spanning over 60 years of study. He was also a missionary who starting churches and had a radio show. Surely that fulfills both contribution and prediction. I therefore disagree with your characterization. Now, he appears to have been wrong, but just like preachers may be wrong, critics may also be right even without contribution.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  I am sorry for your grandfather. He knew Bible and he was right by his interpretation of Bible. In programming world word is reality, there is only one meaning. Those who know word forge reality. This requires knowledge. Critics who do not posses knowledge appeal to emotions, spread FUD. They may be right by coincidence like standing clocks.
  - eesmith 6y ago
    What one meaning does "preach" have in the programming world? Because I think you used it wrong.
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=preach https://www.google.com/search?q=preach I've described context. You've confirmed it. Statement supported not by fact but by inner voice. My morale stems from Christianity, I believe Enlightenment got it right — discovery of nature is discovery of God. I've been to church, I've seen priest who shared joy. I've seen other priests, I would rather not see them. X.Org developer described what's wrong with the project [1]. Not one of the Wayland critiques addressed his points. They have no facts, they just want it to fail. Those who work hard and share for free get anger in return. Sway / wlroots maintainer (ddevault) got off the edge from this misinformation and I do not agree with him but I am not maintainer either. Where is love and God in this story? > That’s not even considering any personal goals, which I have vanishingly little time for. I get zero exercise, and though my diet is mostly reasonable the majority of it is delivery unless I get the odd 2 hours to visit the grocery store. That is, unless I want to spend those 2 hours with my friends, which means it’s back to delivery. My dating life is almost nonexistent. I want to spend more time studying Japanese, but it’s either that or keeping up with my leisure reading. Lofty goals of also studying Chinese or Arabic are but dust in the wind. I’m addicted to caffeine, again. > Less healthy ways have included walking to the corner store to buy unhealthy comfort foods, consuming alcohol or weed too much or too often, getting in stupid internet arguments, being mean to my friends and colleagues, and googling myself to read negative comments. [3] That's story behind Linux infrastructure. Because of such work I have Linux and I am grateful for it, but no mob wants to finish them. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 [3] https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html
      - eesmith 6y ago
        My observation is that "preach" is orthogonal to contribution. Which is why I think it's the wrong term, and why utxaa was confused. Your link to Google for a dictionary definition says: 1) deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church. This wasn't a sermon or religious address, and HN isn't church. 2) publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief). Okay, so posting a comment on HN is public, which means we're all preaching? This doesn't seem what you mean. 3) earnestly advocate (a belief or course of action). This is the closest. However, "this is all going to end in X12" seem far from earnest advocacy. Your own comments seem far more earnest - are you not also preaching? It's far easier for me to believe you simply used the wrong term.
        sergeykish 6y ago
        "preach the end of the world" does not contribute to the facts based world. Even if you don't agree with that I'm fine to end this discussion.
utxaa 6y ago
why do you assume i don't know what i'm talking about?
- sergeykish 6y ago
  Please address [1] or you don't know what you are talking about. Similar point in next post [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24922936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24922936
  - utxaa 6y ago
    i either address [1] or i don't know what i'm talking about? sure pal, you got it.