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Well damn, I was expecting accidents with machinery, not murders! Farm work is dangerous enough as it is.

by bigbubba 6y ago

commandlinefan 6y ago
It looks like gun ownership is legal in South Africa... surprised that the victims aren't fighting back more often.
- rightbyte 6y ago
  Maybe they are? In practice, the odds are on the thugs side. I mean they can walk around how they want and pull the gun at an opportune moment while the farmers have to assume people they meet are not going to kill them.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  They know where you live, but you don't know where they live.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Most murders are among people who know each other.
    - HarryHirsch 6y ago
      In Britain, the farming community and the gypsy community know each other. About 20 years ago, there was a high-profile shooting in Britain, this article from the Guardian gives an overview: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/19/audreygillan https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/19/audreygillan It's a bit too bleeding-heart for my taste, even the Guardian admits to policing difficulties, there's little surprise that someone might take the law in their own hands if the government is absent. You'd guess similar dynamics are at play in South Africa.
      - watwut 6y ago
        These are high profile things. Most low profile murders in most places are among family and friends and coworkers and such. Or people who are doing crimes together. The Britain and US would be places where it is exactly like that. As in, south african farmers situation is unusual here.
- watwut 6y ago
  Perpetrators are shooting and having legal guns too. People who kill people are not some kind of different species going in from outer placas. They are exact same group with exact same rights.
  - bigbubba 6y ago
    > Perpetrators [... have] legal guns too. Is that known in this case? It's often not the case in America.
- majormajor 6y ago
  The first person who pulls the trigger has a big advantage. Guns are quick and fairly incapacitating, so a determined attacker has a big advantage. This isn't MAD. Even the Hollywood-style "a good guy stopped a shooter" scenarios often only stop further, not initial, shootings.

Well damn, I was expecting accidents with machinery, not murders! Farm work is dangerous enough as it is.

commandlinefan 6y ago

It looks like gun ownership is legal in South Africa... surprised that the victims aren't fighting back more often.

rightbyte 6y ago
Maybe they are? In practice, the odds are on the thugs side. I mean they can walk around how they want and pull the gun at an opportune moment while the farmers have to assume people they meet are not going to kill them.
HarryHirsch 6y ago
They know where you live, but you don't know where they live.
- watwut 6y ago
  Most murders are among people who know each other.
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    In Britain, the farming community and the gypsy community know each other. About 20 years ago, there was a high-profile shooting in Britain, this article from the Guardian gives an overview: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/19/audreygillan https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/19/audreygillan It's a bit too bleeding-heart for my taste, even the Guardian admits to policing difficulties, there's little surprise that someone might take the law in their own hands if the government is absent. You'd guess similar dynamics are at play in South Africa.
    - watwut 6y ago
      These are high profile things. Most low profile murders in most places are among family and friends and coworkers and such. Or people who are doing crimes together. The Britain and US would be places where it is exactly like that. As in, south african farmers situation is unusual here.
watwut 6y ago
Perpetrators are shooting and having legal guns too. People who kill people are not some kind of different species going in from outer placas. They are exact same group with exact same rights.
- bigbubba 6y ago
  > Perpetrators [... have] legal guns too. Is that known in this case? It's often not the case in America.
majormajor 6y ago
The first person who pulls the trigger has a big advantage. Guns are quick and fairly incapacitating, so a determined attacker has a big advantage. This isn't MAD. Even the Hollywood-style "a good guy stopped a shooter" scenarios often only stop further, not initial, shootings.