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I'm surprised Nest, Ring, Facebook or someone else hasn't started offering free security cameras & storage to select businesses yet to accomplish better adverti

I'm surprised Nest, Ring, Facebook or someone else hasn't started offering free security cameras & storage to select businesses yet to accomplish better advertising data for Scenario B.

bigiain 6y ago
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/06/police-offer-amazon-ring-free-exchange-access/592243/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/06/polic... "In most cases, when police want to search your neighborhood, they need a warrant and a reason to believe something’s amiss. Now “reasonable suspicion” is going the way of dial-up. Fifty police departments across the United States are partnering with Amazon to collect footage from people who use Ring, the company’s internet-connected doorbell. Some are offering discounted or free Ring doorbells in exchange for a pledge to register the devices with law enforcement and submit all requested footage."
- caseysoftware 6y ago
  I had a situation recently where I needed to talk to some people to get their footage when a crime was committed against a neighbor nearby. Of the 8 I talked to around the neighborhood and explained the situation and said "between X and Y time", only 1 showed any hesitancy at all. I suspect most saw it as a way to help their neighbor and since I was specific, it was easy for them to check quickly and share the video if they found what I described.
  - kelnos 6y ago
    I think this is really the distinction that matters to me. If access to footage was available only to trustworthy parties; that is, people the person with the camera personally knows and trusts, then I'm more or less ok with this sort of thing. The person who owns the camera should own the footage and should have to -- on a case by case basis -- decide who gets access to it. But I'm really not comfortable with corporate entities mining their consumer devices for data to voluntarily give to the police. Incentivizing customers to give blanket permission to share all this data is unconscionable. It's especially telling that the normal path would require the police to get a judge to sign off on a warrant to get at this data. It's funny... in another post thread people are talking about a petition to have Microsoft withdraw their membership from the RIAA (in the wake of the youtube-dl takedown fiasco). Why aren't people banding together to demand that Amazon terminate their Ring camera relationship with police?
- mattferderer 6y ago
  This is similar but not the same from what I understand. You still would be paying Ring for storage here. There is also the platform effects that once you own one, you'll buy more. While the ethics of the Ring, neighborhood & police relationship are debatable, my thought was much less ethical & more related to reselling data for advertising purposes to cover the costs of the whole system. Such an idea seems more geared towards large city foot traffic areas with lots of eye catching items to provide data with. Shopping centers, sports stadiums, etc., would be ideal.
a_imho 6y ago
But they do? Verizon Smart Cities sounds like it fits the bill https://enterprise.verizon.com/products/internet-of-things/smart-cities-and-communities/ https://enterprise.verizon.com/products/internet-of-things/s...
- mattferderer 6y ago
  I think I'm missing how that's related. This seems like a service that you pay for that helps analyze data to solve problems. Am I mistaken?
  - a_imho 6y ago
    You are right, I was reading more into it and interpret it as please install our iot tracking to slurp up your data. Our smart parking solution is a complete solution to track and monitor parking spot occupancy using smart video cameras and computer vision analytics to enable optimization. A dashboard gives you a clear view of parking in your community while parking policy tools help you track trends and modify policies to fit your community.

I'm surprised Nest, Ring, Facebook or someone else hasn't started offering free security cameras & storage to select businesses yet to accomplish better advertising data for Scenario B.

bigiain 6y ago

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/06/police-offer-amazon-ring-free-exchange-access/592243/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/06/polic... "In most cases, when police want to search your neighborhood, they need a warrant and a reason to believe something’s amiss. Now “reasonable suspicion” is going the way of dial-up. Fifty police departments across the United States are partnering with Amazon to collect footage from people who use Ring, the company’s internet-connected doorbell. Some are offering discounted or free Ring doorbells in exchange for a pledge to register the devices with law enforcement and submit all requested footage."

caseysoftware 6y ago
I had a situation recently where I needed to talk to some people to get their footage when a crime was committed against a neighbor nearby. Of the 8 I talked to around the neighborhood and explained the situation and said "between X and Y time", only 1 showed any hesitancy at all. I suspect most saw it as a way to help their neighbor and since I was specific, it was easy for them to check quickly and share the video if they found what I described.
- kelnos 6y ago
  I think this is really the distinction that matters to me. If access to footage was available only to trustworthy parties; that is, people the person with the camera personally knows and trusts, then I'm more or less ok with this sort of thing. The person who owns the camera should own the footage and should have to -- on a case by case basis -- decide who gets access to it. But I'm really not comfortable with corporate entities mining their consumer devices for data to voluntarily give to the police. Incentivizing customers to give blanket permission to share all this data is unconscionable. It's especially telling that the normal path would require the police to get a judge to sign off on a warrant to get at this data. It's funny... in another post thread people are talking about a petition to have Microsoft withdraw their membership from the RIAA (in the wake of the youtube-dl takedown fiasco). Why aren't people banding together to demand that Amazon terminate their Ring camera relationship with police?
mattferderer 6y ago
This is similar but not the same from what I understand. You still would be paying Ring for storage here. There is also the platform effects that once you own one, you'll buy more. While the ethics of the Ring, neighborhood & police relationship are debatable, my thought was much less ethical & more related to reselling data for advertising purposes to cover the costs of the whole system. Such an idea seems more geared towards large city foot traffic areas with lots of eye catching items to provide data with. Shopping centers, sports stadiums, etc., would be ideal.

a_imho 6y ago

But they do? Verizon Smart Cities sounds like it fits the bill https://enterprise.verizon.com/products/internet-of-things/smart-cities-and-communities/ https://enterprise.verizon.com/products/internet-of-things/s...

mattferderer 6y ago
I think I'm missing how that's related. This seems like a service that you pay for that helps analyze data to solve problems. Am I mistaken?
- a_imho 6y ago
  You are right, I was reading more into it and interpret it as please install our iot tracking to slurp up your data. Our smart parking solution is a complete solution to track and monitor parking spot occupancy using smart video cameras and computer vision analytics to enable optimization. A dashboard gives you a clear view of parking in your community while parking policy tools help you track trends and modify policies to fit your community.