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ZH was saying that it was going to be a catastrophe before China even started lying about how they had it under control.

CptFribble 6y ago
To be fair, almost everything on ZH is predicting catastrophe - ZH is rife with prepper-flavored "this is the big one" reports on things like FEMA operations, rumors of potential false flag attacks, and of course various financial instrument movements. 99% of what ZH says is the end of all things fades into nothingness. ZH is the canonical example of a correct-twice-daily broken clock.
- humaniania 6y ago
  Exactly this! Thank you. ZeroHedge almost seems to be designed to induce anxiety and spread disinformation.
  - rbanffy 6y ago
    If it was not designed that way, there's certainly an incentive for that behavior to evolve. The question is if we want to prevent all news sources from evolving into that.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    It does what it says on the tin -- zero hedge.
- selectodude 6y ago
  Oh for sure. They’re a bunch of lunatics. If you assume the worst four times a day you’re going to be correct sooner or later.
whimsicalism 6y ago
> China even started lying about how they had it under control. If you think China was lying about it, you should see the public statements of checks notes every head of state in the West.
- duxup 6y ago
  Outside of Trump... i'm not aware of any large scale deception or ... just plain ignorance when it comes to trump.
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    Britain said that they could go for a "herd immunity strategy", several European governments said that masks were not useful for ordinary people, claims that the virus was under control, even people saying "don't stop going to bars", entire governments deciding to stop releasing information about cases, etc., etc. There was a whole lot that people didn't know, especially early. There were quite a few failures of communication and delays. China was certainly communicating warnings about the virus by early January.
    - turkey99 6y ago
      They were wrong, potentially and have adjusted their stance since. They’re still poorly managing it because they lack decent information. I’d argue it’s the fault of the civil service that they’ve been crippling and obvious cronyism (e.g. Dido Harding) not equipped to provide decent information that they need for decision making.
      - whimsicalism 6y ago
        > They were wrong, potentially and have adjusted their stance since. Yes, and there is a period between where they realize they are wrong, where they reformulate their message and then communicate that publicly. What we're discussing here is a similar gap of 2-4 days between evidence of person-to-person spread and communication. Meanwhile, we have no idea when the US president even first tested positive for covid.
    - makomk 6y ago
      The British government was very upfront about the fact that it wasn't under control very early on. That honesty doesn't seem to have worked out very well for them politically - I'm pretty sure that being so upfront about it fuelled a lot of the speculation about herd immunity, which somehow seems to have outlasted the current Europe-wide practical demonstration that yes, lockdown fatigue is real no matter what the British press said at the time - but you certainly can't argue that they lied about it like China did.

CptFribble 6y ago

To be fair, almost everything on ZH is predicting catastrophe - ZH is rife with prepper-flavored "this is the big one" reports on things like FEMA operations, rumors of potential false flag attacks, and of course various financial instrument movements. 99% of what ZH says is the end of all things fades into nothingness. ZH is the canonical example of a correct-twice-daily broken clock.

humaniania 6y ago
Exactly this! Thank you. ZeroHedge almost seems to be designed to induce anxiety and spread disinformation.
- rbanffy 6y ago
  If it was not designed that way, there's certainly an incentive for that behavior to evolve. The question is if we want to prevent all news sources from evolving into that.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  It does what it says on the tin -- zero hedge.
selectodude 6y ago
Oh for sure. They’re a bunch of lunatics. If you assume the worst four times a day you’re going to be correct sooner or later.

whimsicalism 6y ago

> China even started lying about how they had it under control. If you think China was lying about it, you should see the public statements of checks notes every head of state in the West.

duxup 6y ago
Outside of Trump... i'm not aware of any large scale deception or ... just plain ignorance when it comes to trump.
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  Britain said that they could go for a "herd immunity strategy", several European governments said that masks were not useful for ordinary people, claims that the virus was under control, even people saying "don't stop going to bars", entire governments deciding to stop releasing information about cases, etc., etc. There was a whole lot that people didn't know, especially early. There were quite a few failures of communication and delays. China was certainly communicating warnings about the virus by early January.
  - turkey99 6y ago
    They were wrong, potentially and have adjusted their stance since. They’re still poorly managing it because they lack decent information. I’d argue it’s the fault of the civil service that they’ve been crippling and obvious cronyism (e.g. Dido Harding) not equipped to provide decent information that they need for decision making.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      > They were wrong, potentially and have adjusted their stance since. Yes, and there is a period between where they realize they are wrong, where they reformulate their message and then communicate that publicly. What we're discussing here is a similar gap of 2-4 days between evidence of person-to-person spread and communication. Meanwhile, we have no idea when the US president even first tested positive for covid.
  - makomk 6y ago
    The British government was very upfront about the fact that it wasn't under control very early on. That honesty doesn't seem to have worked out very well for them politically - I'm pretty sure that being so upfront about it fuelled a lot of the speculation about herd immunity, which somehow seems to have outlasted the current Europe-wide practical demonstration that yes, lockdown fatigue is real no matter what the British press said at the time - but you certainly can't argue that they lied about it like China did.