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Ok, fine if hold that viewpoint, but don't gaslight us that nothing new is going on. Politics has invaded everything, and it wasn't like this even 10 years ago.

gsk22 6y ago
Disagreeing with your assessment is not gaslighting. I do agree America is more politicized now, but that doesn't mean the answer is to retreat into a shell and pretend the issues don't exist.
- monoideism 6y ago
  > I do agree America is more politicized now, OK, then please don't play this "what culture war?", as if you have no idea what we're talking about. That's debating in bad faith. I'd not do that to you.
  - gsk22 6y ago
    Honestly, I don't know what you're on about. The term "culture war" is extremely vague and with an obvious negative connotation, but as far as I can tell you're simply complaining that politics are more visible in everyday life. Can you succinctly define what makes a "culture war", and how that is different from political debate?
    - monoideism 6y ago
      OK, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war#Broadening_of_the_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war#Broadening_of_the_... Specifically, stuff like QAnon, facemask protests, BLM, trans rights, "white privilege", anthem protests, etc etc etc. There's pretty widespread recognition in the US of culture war flashpoints. But before I engage anymore: are you American? Because we're discussing these political topics in the US context in this thread, explicitly.
      - gsk22 6y ago
        I am American, which is why I was asking. I just don't understand how "culture war" is any different than "political disagreement over social issues". Why do we need a scary new term?
        monoideism 6y ago
        "Culture war" has been in active use since at least the 1990s, and probably much before. I get that you don't like the term, but its use in this context is 100% accurate. And it clearly is not just your side, it's the other side as well. Both of you are engaging in non-stop culture wars. And it's tiring, and dangerous for our country. You've probably not watched a country descend into civil war. I have. It happens much quicker than you'd think.
- stale2002 6y ago
  So then you agree that this stuff is invading people's personal life a lot, which was the original question? Cool. You agree with me.
  - gsk22 6y ago
    If you want to play that game, the original statement was: "Culture wars have invaded both work and family life." I questioned whether this was really "invading" family life - that implies that across large swathes of the American population, family/home life has been meaningfully changed. I did not question whether political discussions had increased in the public sphere, and as you mentioned, I agreed with that point of view. I'm happy to discuss, but I don't appreciate the smug twisting of words.
    - stale2002 6y ago
      > family/home life has been meaningfully changed. Ok, and I gave them descriptions for how life has changed in my response to that. I gave examples of frequent political discourse that I've been seeing lately, especially online. > I did not question whether political discussions had increased in the public sphere, and as you mentioned, I agreed with that point of view. So then you agree with the factual descriptions that I laid out in my response.

gsk22 6y ago

Disagreeing with your assessment is not gaslighting. I do agree America is more politicized now, but that doesn't mean the answer is to retreat into a shell and pretend the issues don't exist.

monoideism 6y ago
> I do agree America is more politicized now, OK, then please don't play this "what culture war?", as if you have no idea what we're talking about. That's debating in bad faith. I'd not do that to you.
- gsk22 6y ago
  Honestly, I don't know what you're on about. The term "culture war" is extremely vague and with an obvious negative connotation, but as far as I can tell you're simply complaining that politics are more visible in everyday life. Can you succinctly define what makes a "culture war", and how that is different from political debate?
  - monoideism 6y ago
    OK, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war#Broadening_of_the_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war#Broadening_of_the_... Specifically, stuff like QAnon, facemask protests, BLM, trans rights, "white privilege", anthem protests, etc etc etc. There's pretty widespread recognition in the US of culture war flashpoints. But before I engage anymore: are you American? Because we're discussing these political topics in the US context in this thread, explicitly.
    - gsk22 6y ago
      I am American, which is why I was asking. I just don't understand how "culture war" is any different than "political disagreement over social issues". Why do we need a scary new term?
      - monoideism 6y ago
        "Culture war" has been in active use since at least the 1990s, and probably much before. I get that you don't like the term, but its use in this context is 100% accurate. And it clearly is not just your side, it's the other side as well. Both of you are engaging in non-stop culture wars. And it's tiring, and dangerous for our country. You've probably not watched a country descend into civil war. I have. It happens much quicker than you'd think.
stale2002 6y ago
So then you agree that this stuff is invading people's personal life a lot, which was the original question? Cool. You agree with me.
- gsk22 6y ago
  If you want to play that game, the original statement was: "Culture wars have invaded both work and family life." I questioned whether this was really "invading" family life - that implies that across large swathes of the American population, family/home life has been meaningfully changed. I did not question whether political discussions had increased in the public sphere, and as you mentioned, I agreed with that point of view. I'm happy to discuss, but I don't appreciate the smug twisting of words.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > family/home life has been meaningfully changed. Ok, and I gave them descriptions for how life has changed in my response to that. I gave examples of frequent political discourse that I've been seeing lately, especially online. > I did not question whether political discussions had increased in the public sphere, and as you mentioned, I agreed with that point of view. So then you agree with the factual descriptions that I laid out in my response.