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The web platform I've created (https://quanta.wiki https://quanta.wiki) has a lot of these same design principles, and I run a local copy of it for my personal

The web platform I've created (https://quanta.wiki https://quanta.wiki) has a lot of these same design principles, and I run a local copy of it for my personal note-taking. Some day there should emerge some kind of de-facto winner in this category, because it's so sad that it's 2020 and there's still not a super wide-spread mass-adoption kind of general purpose app for handling hierarchical data and interacting with it. When XML was invented I was sure it would change the world (and arguably, enabling RSS/Atom did), but now in 2020 you don't hear much about XML. All word processors should be hierarchical rather than monolithic (linear), imo, and Quanta endeavors to show one way to do that in a wiki-like app.

weswpg 6y ago
Interesting but your app promotes this list of culture-war entertainers [0] and presents them as the "Intellectual Dark Web", including Ben "just sell your underwater house if the sea levels rise" Shapiro; that's a big red flag [0] https://quanta.wiki/app?id=5ca14747487e8f0001a3bcff#5ca25b1a487e8f00017983ca https://quanta.wiki/app?id=5ca14747487e8f0001a3bcff#5ca25b1a...
- WClayFerguson 6y ago
  I do plan on moving the IDW Podcast list to under my own personal blog node instead, and not directly on the portal, only because politics should be kept separate from career stuff imo.
  - esperent 6y ago
    Wouldn't it be better to just not give these crazies any more publicity?
    - WClayFerguson 6y ago
      Thanks for your opinion. Fighting BigTech censorship was one of my reasons for creating Quanta. https://quanta.wiki/u/WClayFerguson/social-media-revolution https://quanta.wiki/u/WClayFerguson/social-media-revolution
    - weswpg 6y ago
      Evidently OP is eager to promote the people on that list and believes they are serious thinkers
      - WClayFerguson 6y ago
        change "believes" to "knows" and yes.
        weswpg 6y ago
        For anyone who also thinks Ben Shapiro is a "serious thinker", here is the thesis that "Perhaps Ben Shapiro Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously By Anyone About Anything": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMjgOYOcDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMjgOYOcDw In short: he's routinely wrong, his views never progress in recognition of his many MANY errors, because he feels that his views are correct regardless of what the facts are; all while smugly bleating "Facts Don't Care About Feelings". he's so comically unserious, he had to change the title of his own book after liberals pointed out to him that he miscounted how many arguments he was making in "10 rules for debating leftists": https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1257441067730862080 https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/12574410677308620... most of the others on that list are just as bad but it's noteworthy that this laughable "intellectual dark web" has Ben Shapiro among those playing the victim card as if he is a repressed academic even though he openly and cynically proclaims his unwillingness to engage honestly with the opposition ("So, the only other reason that you should ever have a conversation, or be friends with anyone on the left and, and not even be friends, is if you're in public in front of a large audience and then your goal is to humiliate them as badly as possible") these people aren't "intellectuals" or even remotely serious.
slightwinder 6y ago
> When XML was invented I was sure it would change the world (and arguably, enabling RSS/Atom did), but now in 2020 you don't hear much about XML. XML is a data-format, not an enduser-format. It's used everywhere, what is there more to hear about it? > All word processors should be hierarchical rather than monolithic (linear) No, they should not, it's just a pain. Word processors have hierarchical view, but enforcing it would be a harmful. In the first place, word processors are not note-systems. It's not their job to manage your files.
- WClayFerguson 6y ago
  Documents are almost always hierarchical, but yes for reading purposes, something like an "expand all" is helpful for presenting it all in a single view, so you just need to hit down arrow key if you want to perhaps read it from beginning to end with minimal user gestures. So the GUI interaction is a separate issue from the storage format and representation. The way Quanta works is that every sentence or paragraph can have an entire conversation thread underneath it, which is light-years ahead of the "Revision Marks" feature of MS Office/365 for example. The model Quanta is using for team collaboration on documents means for example you can post a big long question about a single sentence in a doc, and it doesn't get in the way of the main doc, or become visible unless expanded. They way Quanta works is definitely the future, even if it's some other platform other than Quanta where this takes off.

weswpg 6y ago

Interesting but your app promotes this list of culture-war entertainers [0] and presents them as the "Intellectual Dark Web", including Ben "just sell your underwater house if the sea levels rise" Shapiro; that's a big red flag [0] https://quanta.wiki/app?id=5ca14747487e8f0001a3bcff#5ca25b1a487e8f00017983ca https://quanta.wiki/app?id=5ca14747487e8f0001a3bcff#5ca25b1a...

WClayFerguson 6y ago
I do plan on moving the IDW Podcast list to under my own personal blog node instead, and not directly on the portal, only because politics should be kept separate from career stuff imo.
- esperent 6y ago
  Wouldn't it be better to just not give these crazies any more publicity?
  - WClayFerguson 6y ago
    Thanks for your opinion. Fighting BigTech censorship was one of my reasons for creating Quanta. https://quanta.wiki/u/WClayFerguson/social-media-revolution https://quanta.wiki/u/WClayFerguson/social-media-revolution
  - weswpg 6y ago
    Evidently OP is eager to promote the people on that list and believes they are serious thinkers
    - WClayFerguson 6y ago
      change "believes" to "knows" and yes.
      - weswpg 6y ago
        For anyone who also thinks Ben Shapiro is a "serious thinker", here is the thesis that "Perhaps Ben Shapiro Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously By Anyone About Anything": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMjgOYOcDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMjgOYOcDw In short: he's routinely wrong, his views never progress in recognition of his many MANY errors, because he feels that his views are correct regardless of what the facts are; all while smugly bleating "Facts Don't Care About Feelings". he's so comically unserious, he had to change the title of his own book after liberals pointed out to him that he miscounted how many arguments he was making in "10 rules for debating leftists": https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1257441067730862080 https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/12574410677308620... most of the others on that list are just as bad but it's noteworthy that this laughable "intellectual dark web" has Ben Shapiro among those playing the victim card as if he is a repressed academic even though he openly and cynically proclaims his unwillingness to engage honestly with the opposition ("So, the only other reason that you should ever have a conversation, or be friends with anyone on the left and, and not even be friends, is if you're in public in front of a large audience and then your goal is to humiliate them as badly as possible") these people aren't "intellectuals" or even remotely serious.

slightwinder 6y ago

> When XML was invented I was sure it would change the world (and arguably, enabling RSS/Atom did), but now in 2020 you don't hear much about XML. XML is a data-format, not an enduser-format. It's used everywhere, what is there more to hear about it? > All word processors should be hierarchical rather than monolithic (linear) No, they should not, it's just a pain. Word processors have hierarchical view, but enforcing it would be a harmful. In the first place, word processors are not note-systems. It's not their job to manage your files.

WClayFerguson 6y ago
Documents are almost always hierarchical, but yes for reading purposes, something like an "expand all" is helpful for presenting it all in a single view, so you just need to hit down arrow key if you want to perhaps read it from beginning to end with minimal user gestures. So the GUI interaction is a separate issue from the storage format and representation. The way Quanta works is that every sentence or paragraph can have an entire conversation thread underneath it, which is light-years ahead of the "Revision Marks" feature of MS Office/365 for example. The model Quanta is using for team collaboration on documents means for example you can post a big long question about a single sentence in a doc, and it doesn't get in the way of the main doc, or become visible unless expanded. They way Quanta works is definitely the future, even if it's some other platform other than Quanta where this takes off.