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What percentage of people would rate portrait photo with bokeh much much better from a DSLR than from an iPhone 12 pro (or any other top Android phone) in a bli

by ssijak 6y ago

What percentage of people would rate portrait photo with bokeh much much better from a DSLR than from an iPhone 12 pro (or any other top Android phone) in a blind test? I would say that more people will prefer the phone photo, unless you edit the dslr photo (which phone is doing automatically unless you shoot RAW on iPhone).

zobzu 6y ago
the picture we're talking about is taken at night, and looks like a painting, this has nothing to do with bokeh or the need to edit a picture taken with a large sensor mirrorless camera
grecy 6y ago
I would guess close to 0% of people, IFF we're looking at the photos side by side on a phone screen, or maybe a crappy laptop screen. Put them both on a hi-res display, or HD TV or (even better) print them out in large format. Then there's no comparison. So it really comes down to how is the photo going to be used. And for 99% of photos taken these days, viewing it on a small screen is the purpose, so the phone camera is perfectly good enough.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  For this picture specifically, which is the one OP was talking about: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03adec668905b/1603176722265-H0FSBKFAMQV25X9PEFHX/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kOT4XFbjPh2wviguHcWSfHx7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmS0k9nmfOWkBD2X4dgpGrpTPEppH71Jxj5Xy1txktWwN6z35OdSjbl9A5nuJM5etC/IMG_1686.jpg?format=750w https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03a... Yes, anyone could tell the difference between this taken on a dedicated camera and this taken on iPhone. Really, anyone. No matter the resolution. It really does just look like a blurry mess. A cheap 150$ DSLR with a bottom-bargain Chinese or very old lens (at say, F1.4 or lower) would provide significantly better results.
  - ssijak 6y ago
    I think that this was the image referenced with the "woman in a park" in the initial post https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03adec668905b/1603178865884-05EVQ5V89D6P01O4OWOD/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFn01b69qibFV6p4ATINgYx7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmaHJ0CCIp0h94CjFWATtzumDyWwG6cTlYaiji1mbxg2_decyTpAb-46CnvkjVgn6l/IMG_1301.jpg?format=1500w https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03a...
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Oh, I read "woman in a parka" instead, and in combination with "blurry, smeared" I concluded that it was the image at night.
      - buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
        GP is the only person I can find in this thread referencing "woman in a park". Everyone else is talking about the "woman in a parka". I think you were correct in your assumption before. People are talking about the image without the dog.
yladiz 6y ago
I don't know how you would define "better", but if you mean higher quality, I'm certain that most people would be able to pick out the DSLR version in a "blind" test, even if you used the same approx. lens focal length on the DSLR and the phone (e.g. 52mm when comparing to iPhone). I would guess people would prefer the DSLR one, but it's simply a guess (and I'm biased because I know more or less what to look for).
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
  I'm not sure if I'd say that most people would be able to tell. But I'm sure photography people would be able to tell. Unless you're a wannabe influencer or a working professional, what matters is not whether other people would be able to tell. Nobody cares about your pictures. What matters is if you can tell, and how it makes you feel.
  - jonplackett 6y ago
    I think if you let them zoom in to the edges they'd pick it easily enough. My iPhone always blurs a few little details, little part of a hat sticking out, thinking it's the background.
numpad0 6y ago
There are surprisingly little “cultural” differences between iPhone and dSLR, iPhone shots look like a Nikon at wrong ISO.
ValentineC 6y ago
> What percentage of people would rate portrait photo with bokeh much much better from a DSLR than from an iPhone 12 pro (or any other top Android phone) in a blind test? As an iPhone 11 Pro + Halide user myself, I daresay a DSLR photo with a decent portrait lens would definitely look better — or at the very least — more natural, than any iPhone photo that relies on "computational photography" fake-bokeh.

by ssijak 6y ago

zobzu 6y ago

the picture we're talking about is taken at night, and looks like a painting, this has nothing to do with bokeh or the need to edit a picture taken with a large sensor mirrorless camera

grecy 6y ago

I would guess close to 0% of people, IFF we're looking at the photos side by side on a phone screen, or maybe a crappy laptop screen. Put them both on a hi-res display, or HD TV or (even better) print them out in large format. Then there's no comparison. So it really comes down to how is the photo going to be used. And for 99% of photos taken these days, viewing it on a small screen is the purpose, so the phone camera is perfectly good enough.

sudosysgen 6y ago
For this picture specifically, which is the one OP was talking about: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03adec668905b/1603176722265-H0FSBKFAMQV25X9PEFHX/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kOT4XFbjPh2wviguHcWSfHx7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmS0k9nmfOWkBD2X4dgpGrpTPEppH71Jxj5Xy1txktWwN6z35OdSjbl9A5nuJM5etC/IMG_1686.jpg?format=750w https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03a... Yes, anyone could tell the difference between this taken on a dedicated camera and this taken on iPhone. Really, anyone. No matter the resolution. It really does just look like a blurry mess. A cheap 150$ DSLR with a bottom-bargain Chinese or very old lens (at say, F1.4 or lower) would provide significantly better results.
- ssijak 6y ago
  I think that this was the image referenced with the "woman in a park" in the initial post https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03adec668905b/1603178865884-05EVQ5V89D6P01O4OWOD/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFn01b69qibFV6p4ATINgYx7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmaHJ0CCIp0h94CjFWATtzumDyWwG6cTlYaiji1mbxg2_decyTpAb-46CnvkjVgn6l/IMG_1301.jpg?format=1500w https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/50730c37e4b03a...
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Oh, I read "woman in a parka" instead, and in combination with "blurry, smeared" I concluded that it was the image at night.
    - buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
      GP is the only person I can find in this thread referencing "woman in a park". Everyone else is talking about the "woman in a parka". I think you were correct in your assumption before. People are talking about the image without the dog.

yladiz 6y ago

I don't know how you would define "better", but if you mean higher quality, I'm certain that most people would be able to pick out the DSLR version in a "blind" test, even if you used the same approx. lens focal length on the DSLR and the phone (e.g. 52mm when comparing to iPhone). I would guess people would prefer the DSLR one, but it's simply a guess (and I'm biased because I know more or less what to look for).

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
I'm not sure if I'd say that most people would be able to tell. But I'm sure photography people would be able to tell. Unless you're a wannabe influencer or a working professional, what matters is not whether other people would be able to tell. Nobody cares about your pictures. What matters is if you can tell, and how it makes you feel.
- jonplackett 6y ago
  I think if you let them zoom in to the edges they'd pick it easily enough. My iPhone always blurs a few little details, little part of a hat sticking out, thinking it's the background.

numpad0 6y ago

There are surprisingly little “cultural” differences between iPhone and dSLR, iPhone shots look like a Nikon at wrong ISO.

ValentineC 6y ago

> What percentage of people would rate portrait photo with bokeh much much better from a DSLR than from an iPhone 12 pro (or any other top Android phone) in a blind test? As an iPhone 11 Pro + Halide user myself, I daresay a DSLR photo with a decent portrait lens would definitely look better — or at the very least — more natural, than any iPhone photo that relies on "computational photography" fake-bokeh.