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I understand your point, but I'm not sure that GUIs won out because they were dramatically more user-friendly. It certainly helped, but I think they won becaus

I understand your point, but I'm not sure that GUIs won out because they were dramatically more user-friendly. It certainly helped, but I think they won because it made multitasking possible. Multitasking from the users perspective that is, the ability to interact with more than one application at the same time. That was just not possible on a console, so even people who didn't need user friendliness were able to do things they couldn't do before. I was young at the time, but that's how I remember it at least.

Godel_unicode 6y ago
That's just not true, though. As with many console things, multi-tasking is totally possible but it's discoverability is terrible. Ctrl+z and `jobs` is the entry level, with tmux being the end-state reached via gnu screen. This lack of discoverability is the same problem voice assistants have only moreso; no `apropos` and no tab completion. GUIs are for discovery, CLIs are for power via composability, voice/NLP assistants are for convenience.
lqet 6y ago
> That was just not possible on a console, Was it? Even if you discard stuff like tmux as already a GUI, you can still send whatever is running at the moment to the background with CTRL-Z and typing "bg" on any modern Unix system. "jobs" will then list all your processes, and "fg <ID>" will bring it to the foreground. I am sure this functionality predates most modern GUIs.
thisisnico 6y ago
Aside from the usability POV, GUI provided significantly more features to the user, such as visualization of information and data. Images, Audio, Video, Multi-Media, 3D/2D Video games. You could have more information on the screen and at your fingertips at the same time. You can load many of these things from the CLI, but it's not as convenient as within a GUI.
mixmastamyk 6y ago
> That was just not possible on a console You may be thinking of DOS, which yes had almost no multitasking ability available. However there were multiple timesharing operating systems that existed before the PC and GUIs, Unix being the most famous and still around. Multitasking is quite possible on a Linux console for example. It has 5 or more consoles, each handling different users, each being able to be split via screen/tmux. Each shell can run jobs in the background as well.

Godel_unicode 6y ago

That's just not true, though. As with many console things, multi-tasking is totally possible but it's discoverability is terrible. Ctrl+z and `jobs` is the entry level, with tmux being the end-state reached via gnu screen. This lack of discoverability is the same problem voice assistants have only moreso; no `apropos` and no tab completion. GUIs are for discovery, CLIs are for power via composability, voice/NLP assistants are for convenience.

lqet 6y ago

> That was just not possible on a console, Was it? Even if you discard stuff like tmux as already a GUI, you can still send whatever is running at the moment to the background with CTRL-Z and typing "bg" on any modern Unix system. "jobs" will then list all your processes, and "fg <ID>" will bring it to the foreground. I am sure this functionality predates most modern GUIs.

thisisnico 6y ago

Aside from the usability POV, GUI provided significantly more features to the user, such as visualization of information and data. Images, Audio, Video, Multi-Media, 3D/2D Video games. You could have more information on the screen and at your fingertips at the same time. You can load many of these things from the CLI, but it's not as convenient as within a GUI.

mixmastamyk 6y ago

> That was just not possible on a console You may be thinking of DOS, which yes had almost no multitasking ability available. However there were multiple timesharing operating systems that existed before the PC and GUIs, Unix being the most famous and still around. Multitasking is quite possible on a Linux console for example. It has 5 or more consoles, each handling different users, each being able to be split via screen/tmux. Each shell can run jobs in the background as well.