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> ... running breweries and hydroponic farms, with no desire to ever again touch a compiler, let alone get back into the fray. Reiterating the point of the art

> ... running breweries and hydroponic farms, with no desire to ever again touch a compiler, let alone get back into the fray. Reiterating the point of the article: it doesn't need to be this way. Whether tech is your passion, your hobby, or your job, it does not need to feel like a "fray". This website is one of the worst offenders, since it relentlessly, breathlessly promotes new shiny things every refresh. It's a social network. It's addictive. It is only good in moderation. Here's another idea (in addition to the bolt action rifle and the old computer on your desk): hang out with people who are not in the tech industry (it's a lot easier to do this outside the Bay Area). Revel in just how little they care about JS frameworks.

borroka 6y ago
But people who get disillusioned with tech are not people who don't want to talk about "JS frameworks" or similar tech topics. Quite the contrary, they want their view to win, broadly speaking, in the conversation or the deployment. It is the lack of agency, not the conversation, the problem for the tech-frustrated.
- cambalache 6y ago
  No, you invented that argument in your mind and no-wonder, easily won it. Most people who get tired and disillusioned dont belong to any "Language/Framework evangelism task force". They just want some stability, substance over form, hate silly hype, hate self-proclaimed gurus, hate clueless HR managers. Give them a solid set of tools (no matter much which), sane working conditions, sane managers, a reasonable development strategy and they will more than happily come back. Cut back the ageism and leave political activism for the after-job hours, that will help too.
  - borroka 6y ago
    "They just want some stability, substance over form, hate silly hype, hate self-proclaimed gurus, hate clueless HR managers." - Why, following your description, my mind goes to grumpy folks who cannot understand how other people don't do and say the way they (the grumpy folks) are 100% sure they should?
    - cambalache 6y ago
      Because maybe you like to think on stereotypes and lack nuance for lack of experience due to age or limited geographical mobility.

borroka 6y ago

But people who get disillusioned with tech are not people who don't want to talk about "JS frameworks" or similar tech topics. Quite the contrary, they want their view to win, broadly speaking, in the conversation or the deployment. It is the lack of agency, not the conversation, the problem for the tech-frustrated.

cambalache 6y ago
No, you invented that argument in your mind and no-wonder, easily won it. Most people who get tired and disillusioned dont belong to any "Language/Framework evangelism task force". They just want some stability, substance over form, hate silly hype, hate self-proclaimed gurus, hate clueless HR managers. Give them a solid set of tools (no matter much which), sane working conditions, sane managers, a reasonable development strategy and they will more than happily come back. Cut back the ageism and leave political activism for the after-job hours, that will help too.
- borroka 6y ago
  "They just want some stability, substance over form, hate silly hype, hate self-proclaimed gurus, hate clueless HR managers." - Why, following your description, my mind goes to grumpy folks who cannot understand how other people don't do and say the way they (the grumpy folks) are 100% sure they should?
  - cambalache 6y ago
    Because maybe you like to think on stereotypes and lack nuance for lack of experience due to age or limited geographical mobility.