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Providing services to African Americans and homosexuals would have been a PR disaster historically. You shouldn't be denied access to critical services like thi

by kypro 6y ago

Providing services to African Americans and homosexuals would have been a PR disaster historically. You shouldn't be denied access to critical services like this because of unpopular political beliefs. Honestly, it's worrying I even have to say this. It's utterly nuts people here are defending this.

ceejayoz 6y ago
You can't stop being African American, and it's generally accepted that homosexuality is the same. You can stop being a Proud Boy. If you look at what are deemed by law to be "protected classes", they are generally things that can't be readily changed - age, gender, disability, race.
- wernercd 6y ago
  And next year, when the political winds change... businesses can stop working with you because insert random reason here. Nice standard of intolerance we are building here.
- kypro 6y ago
  How does one change their political believes? I'd argue that some of my political beliefs are as firm and unchangeable as my sexual preferences. But to play along with your logic here, what if someone was a member of a feminist organisation? Do you believe it would be acceptable for a company to refuse to do business with people who are members of feminist organisations? And if your argument is that it's possible to pretend not to be a feminist, can the same not also be said for someones sexual orientation?
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > Do you believe it would be acceptable for a company to refuse to do business with people who are members of feminist organisations? On a legal level, yes. I would avoid doing business with that company as a result, but they'd be well within their rights to do it. I'd be well within my rights to boycott and tell my friends about it. > And if your argument is that it's possible to pretend not to be a feminist, can the same not also be said for someones sexual orientation? My employer's health insurance would allow me to add a same-gender spouse, but doesn't ask if they're a feminist.
NovemberWhiskey 6y ago
On the other hand, you think it's fair and reasonable that a business be compelled to transact with customers that they believe might be net bad for business? You say "unpopular political belief", I say "DDoS target, litigation risk, potential product boycott".

by kypro 6y ago

ceejayoz 6y ago

You can't stop being African American, and it's generally accepted that homosexuality is the same. You can stop being a Proud Boy. If you look at what are deemed by law to be "protected classes", they are generally things that can't be readily changed - age, gender, disability, race.

wernercd 6y ago
And next year, when the political winds change... businesses can stop working with you because insert random reason here. Nice standard of intolerance we are building here.
kypro 6y ago
How does one change their political believes? I'd argue that some of my political beliefs are as firm and unchangeable as my sexual preferences. But to play along with your logic here, what if someone was a member of a feminist organisation? Do you believe it would be acceptable for a company to refuse to do business with people who are members of feminist organisations? And if your argument is that it's possible to pretend not to be a feminist, can the same not also be said for someones sexual orientation?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > Do you believe it would be acceptable for a company to refuse to do business with people who are members of feminist organisations? On a legal level, yes. I would avoid doing business with that company as a result, but they'd be well within their rights to do it. I'd be well within my rights to boycott and tell my friends about it. > And if your argument is that it's possible to pretend not to be a feminist, can the same not also be said for someones sexual orientation? My employer's health insurance would allow me to add a same-gender spouse, but doesn't ask if they're a feminist.

NovemberWhiskey 6y ago

On the other hand, you think it's fair and reasonable that a business be compelled to transact with customers that they believe might be net bad for business? You say "unpopular political belief", I say "DDoS target, litigation risk, potential product boycott".