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> But to intentionally disadvantage a minority group is to discriminate against that minority group. I would argue that depends on the intent. Do i put them in

> But to intentionally disadvantage a minority group is to discriminate against that minority group. I would argue that depends on the intent. Do i put them in a disadvantage because they are part of that group or because a large part of that group wouldn't fit the requirements i have. Lets say i'm looking for someone doing voiceover. Someone without an accent. That would probably put a lot of non-native english speaker in a disadvantage. Would you argue, that i'm discriminating against them or have racist intentions? In this diversity session they would then argue my knowledge that non-native english speaker are put in a disadvantage by this requirement was the reason to put it in and therefor i'm racist.

jcranmer 6y ago
> Someone without an accent. Everyone has an accent. When you say "without an accent," what you mean is that you are looking for someone with a particular accent that is meant to be free of features that identify someone as coming from a particular region. In a way, it's discriminatory, because you're saying that people who do not speak your preferred dialect are not speaking "proper" English. Even if they grew up speaking English their entire life.
- cabraca 6y ago
  >Everyone has an accent. When you say "without an accent," what you mean is that you are looking for someone with a particular accent that is meant to be free of features that identify someone as coming from a particular region. Thats what an accent is, yes. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accent https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accent > In a way, it's discriminatory, because you're saying that people who do not speak your preferred dialect are not speaking "proper" English. Even if they grew up speaking English their entire life. thats not what i said/wrote. Thats how you interpret it.
pessimizer 6y ago
What if I want my company to feel like family, so I only hire people who look like they could be related to me? What if I don't think brown skin matches the decor of my offices, and I want to present a certain aesthetic to potential clients? What if I want to do business with people who think women shouldn't be seen in public unaccompanied by their brothers or husbands? What if I'm not racist, but the rest of my employees are, and I want my team to be cohesive and productive?

jcranmer 6y ago

> Someone without an accent. Everyone has an accent. When you say "without an accent," what you mean is that you are looking for someone with a particular accent that is meant to be free of features that identify someone as coming from a particular region. In a way, it's discriminatory, because you're saying that people who do not speak your preferred dialect are not speaking "proper" English. Even if they grew up speaking English their entire life.

cabraca 6y ago
>Everyone has an accent. When you say "without an accent," what you mean is that you are looking for someone with a particular accent that is meant to be free of features that identify someone as coming from a particular region. Thats what an accent is, yes. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accent https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accent > In a way, it's discriminatory, because you're saying that people who do not speak your preferred dialect are not speaking "proper" English. Even if they grew up speaking English their entire life. thats not what i said/wrote. Thats how you interpret it.

pessimizer 6y ago

What if I want my company to feel like family, so I only hire people who look like they could be related to me? What if I don't think brown skin matches the decor of my offices, and I want to present a certain aesthetic to potential clients? What if I want to do business with people who think women shouldn't be seen in public unaccompanied by their brothers or husbands? What if I'm not racist, but the rest of my employees are, and I want my team to be cohesive and productive?