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I strongly disagree. Since switching to Fedora almost 4 years ago, I've only booted to X.org once, three years ago. I haven't needed it since. I do browser-bas

I strongly disagree. Since switching to Fedora almost 4 years ago, I've only booted to X.org once, three years ago. I haven't needed it since. I do browser-based screensharing (of both individual windows and the whole screen), I have a mixed DPI monitor setup, I've played games on Steam, &c. I need no workarounds. GNOME just works. About the only things I don't use are nvidia's crappy drivers.

phone8675309 6y ago
nVidia is the overwhelming leader in GPUs that people care about, so if you don't mind excluding the majority then it sounds like a great direction. Hope it works out for you.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  There is nothing Wayland can do about "nvidia's crappy drivers". GamingOnLinux stats — AMD GPU 40% and raising. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&view=trends https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&vi...
  - phone8675309 6y ago
    40% is still less than the majority, and Wayland chose to break compatibility with X11 drivers, so they get to own half of this breakage
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      I expect they do not target world domination. Anyone who wants stable, performant GPU today can buy AMD. Future is here. That's Wayland target. I live in the past — Intel GPU, X.Org, xmonad. I've thought to wait a few more years but I've checked Sway, it works. I'll check waymonad, maybe it works, maybe I'll make it work. Wayland GNOME and KDE works with NVIDIA. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Requirements https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Requirements
- cipherboy 6y ago
  You've got two primary use cases for nVidia's GPUs: 1. Gaming. Just about nobody games on Linux with nVidia. Most people I know who game (from Linux) with nVidia GPUs use PCI passthrough to a guest VM running Windows. Very few use nVidia GPUs on their host system. My primary setup is a 2950x/128GB DDR4/Vega 56/2080 Super -- the latter goes to kvm exclusively. 2. "Research" such as machine learning. You don't need Wayland or X11 for this, and the proprietary drivers work the best. To be honest, this is a space where Ubuntu Server performs best. I keep one of these around in a VM (see above) for this purpose. (Mining also goes in this category) Everything else can probably be done with an Intel or AMD GPU tbh.
  - vlowther 6y ago
    The GPU stats at https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&view=trends https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&vi... disagree with your first point. A few years ago I did all of my gaming direct on Linux with an nVidia GPU, and did so for over a decade, on various laptops with and without mixed Intel/nVidia GPU setups.
  - CapricornNoble 6y ago
    >>>1. Gaming. Just about nobody games on Linux with nVidia. I guess I'm the oddball here. 95% of my gaming is native Steam Linux apps on my Kubuntu box with a GTX1060 6GB.

phone8675309 6y ago

nVidia is the overwhelming leader in GPUs that people care about, so if you don't mind excluding the majority then it sounds like a great direction. Hope it works out for you.

sergeykish 6y ago
There is nothing Wayland can do about "nvidia's crappy drivers". GamingOnLinux stats — AMD GPU 40% and raising. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&view=trends https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&vi...
- phone8675309 6y ago
  40% is still less than the majority, and Wayland chose to break compatibility with X11 drivers, so they get to own half of this breakage
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    I expect they do not target world domination. Anyone who wants stable, performant GPU today can buy AMD. Future is here. That's Wayland target. I live in the past — Intel GPU, X.Org, xmonad. I've thought to wait a few more years but I've checked Sway, it works. I'll check waymonad, maybe it works, maybe I'll make it work. Wayland GNOME and KDE works with NVIDIA. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Requirements https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Requirements
cipherboy 6y ago
You've got two primary use cases for nVidia's GPUs: 1. Gaming. Just about nobody games on Linux with nVidia. Most people I know who game (from Linux) with nVidia GPUs use PCI passthrough to a guest VM running Windows. Very few use nVidia GPUs on their host system. My primary setup is a 2950x/128GB DDR4/Vega 56/2080 Super -- the latter goes to kvm exclusively. 2. "Research" such as machine learning. You don't need Wayland or X11 for this, and the proprietary drivers work the best. To be honest, this is a space where Ubuntu Server performs best. I keep one of these around in a VM (see above) for this purpose. (Mining also goes in this category) Everything else can probably be done with an Intel or AMD GPU tbh.
- vlowther 6y ago
  The GPU stats at https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&view=trends https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&vi... disagree with your first point. A few years ago I did all of my gaming direct on Linux with an nVidia GPU, and did so for over a decade, on various laptops with and without mixed Intel/nVidia GPU setups.
- CapricornNoble 6y ago
  >>>1. Gaming. Just about nobody games on Linux with nVidia. I guess I'm the oddball here. 95% of my gaming is native Steam Linux apps on my Kubuntu box with a GTX1060 6GB.