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I believe you assert that Wayland failure is that is not ready for end user. Strange point, it should have been burned 10 years ago than. I use X.Org, works pe

I believe you assert that Wayland failure is that is not ready for end user. Strange point, it should have been burned 10 years ago than. I use X.Org, works perfectly in Arch Linux, some claim problems on in their distribution. It should be critique of that distribution. > Chromium is making its first shy bumbling steps towards actually working on Wayland And Firefox support is behind MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 flag. Clearly Wayland is in "early adopters" stage. Early adopters should not whine. > By the same logic, anyone can say that the direction they're taking is bad. You've clearly not watched presentation. Some people know better than developer of that technology. It would be insult on my job. I've had enough people stating "technical debt is not real". > Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You Open source is nothing like Google deprecating its services, anyone can run code, but it is naive to expect free indefinite support. Truth is you are not going to maintain X.Org.

utxaa 6y ago
this is all going to end in X12.
- pzone 6y ago
  Wayland is X12.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  you would preach but you would not contribute
  - ubercow13 6y ago
    I don't see anything wrong with that.
  - utxaa 6y ago
    you mean i would predict but not contribute? yes.
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      no, like in "preach the end of the world", contribution and prediction requires intimate knowledge, preaching does not
      - eesmith 6y ago
        My grandfather was a preacher and a millennialist, which means he thought the world would end soon. He based this out of his intimate knowledge of the Bible, spanning over 60 years of study. He was also a missionary who starting churches and had a radio show. Surely that fulfills both contribution and prediction. I therefore disagree with your characterization. Now, he appears to have been wrong, but just like preachers may be wrong, critics may also be right even without contribution.
        sergeykish 6y ago
        I am sorry for your grandfather. He knew Bible and he was right by his interpretation of Bible. In programming world word is reality, there is only one meaning. Those who know word forge reality. This requires knowledge. Critics who do not posses knowledge appeal to emotions, spread FUD. They may be right by coincidence like standing clocks.
        eesmith 6y ago
        What one meaning does "preach" have in the programming world? Because I think you used it wrong.
        sergeykish 6y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=preach https://www.google.com/search?q=preach I've described context. You've confirmed it. Statement supported not by fact but by inner voice. My morale stems from Christianity, I believe Enlightenment got it right — discovery of nature is discovery of God. I've been to church, I've seen priest who shared joy. I've seen other priests, I would rather not see them. X.Org developer described what's wrong with the project [1]. Not one of the Wayland critiques addressed his points. They have no facts, they just want it to fail. Those who work hard and share for free get anger in return. Sway / wlroots maintainer (ddevault) got off the edge from this misinformation and I do not agree with him but I am not maintainer either. Where is love and God in this story? > That’s not even considering any personal goals, which I have vanishingly little time for. I get zero exercise, and though my diet is mostly reasonable the majority of it is delivery unless I get the odd 2 hours to visit the grocery store. That is, unless I want to spend those 2 hours with my friends, which means it’s back to delivery. My dating life is almost nonexistent. I want to spend more time studying Japanese, but it’s either that or keeping up with my leisure reading. Lofty goals of also studying Chinese or Arabic are but dust in the wind. I’m addicted to caffeine, again. > Less healthy ways have included walking to the corner store to buy unhealthy comfort foods, consuming alcohol or weed too much or too often, getting in stupid internet arguments, being mean to my friends and colleagues, and googling myself to read negative comments. [3] That's story behind Linux infrastructure. Because of such work I have Linux and I am grateful for it, but no mob wants to finish them. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 [3] https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html

utxaa 6y ago

this is all going to end in X12.

pzone 6y ago
Wayland is X12.
sergeykish 6y ago
you would preach but you would not contribute
- ubercow13 6y ago
  I don't see anything wrong with that.
- utxaa 6y ago
  you mean i would predict but not contribute? yes.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    no, like in "preach the end of the world", contribution and prediction requires intimate knowledge, preaching does not
    - eesmith 6y ago
      My grandfather was a preacher and a millennialist, which means he thought the world would end soon. He based this out of his intimate knowledge of the Bible, spanning over 60 years of study. He was also a missionary who starting churches and had a radio show. Surely that fulfills both contribution and prediction. I therefore disagree with your characterization. Now, he appears to have been wrong, but just like preachers may be wrong, critics may also be right even without contribution.
      - sergeykish 6y ago
        I am sorry for your grandfather. He knew Bible and he was right by his interpretation of Bible. In programming world word is reality, there is only one meaning. Those who know word forge reality. This requires knowledge. Critics who do not posses knowledge appeal to emotions, spread FUD. They may be right by coincidence like standing clocks.
        eesmith 6y ago
        What one meaning does "preach" have in the programming world? Because I think you used it wrong.
        sergeykish 6y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=preach https://www.google.com/search?q=preach I've described context. You've confirmed it. Statement supported not by fact but by inner voice. My morale stems from Christianity, I believe Enlightenment got it right — discovery of nature is discovery of God. I've been to church, I've seen priest who shared joy. I've seen other priests, I would rather not see them. X.Org developer described what's wrong with the project [1]. Not one of the Wayland critiques addressed his points. They have no facts, they just want it to fail. Those who work hard and share for free get anger in return. Sway / wlroots maintainer (ddevault) got off the edge from this misinformation and I do not agree with him but I am not maintainer either. Where is love and God in this story? > That’s not even considering any personal goals, which I have vanishingly little time for. I get zero exercise, and though my diet is mostly reasonable the majority of it is delivery unless I get the odd 2 hours to visit the grocery store. That is, unless I want to spend those 2 hours with my friends, which means it’s back to delivery. My dating life is almost nonexistent. I want to spend more time studying Japanese, but it’s either that or keeping up with my leisure reading. Lofty goals of also studying Chinese or Arabic are but dust in the wind. I’m addicted to caffeine, again. > Less healthy ways have included walking to the corner store to buy unhealthy comfort foods, consuming alcohol or weed too much or too often, getting in stupid internet arguments, being mean to my friends and colleagues, and googling myself to read negative comments. [3] That's story behind Linux infrastructure. Because of such work I have Linux and I am grateful for it, but no mob wants to finish them. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917 [3] https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html