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This is terrifying, almost cult-like. The fact that this is what "fighting racism" looks like when forced hysterectomies are performed on undocumented immigran

This is terrifying, almost cult-like. The fact that this is what "fighting racism" looks like when forced hysterectomies are performed on undocumented immigrants in concentration camps show that it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this.

globular-toast 6y ago
They are just conformists. PG wrote an excellent piece about conformism here: http://paulgraham.com/conformism.html http://paulgraham.com/conformism.html True progressives are out there fighting current battles. Corruption, bribery, current-day slavery etc. Conformists are out there marching about battles already won like gay rights, slavery in the United States etc.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  Gay rights is hardly a settled issue. If it were, the GOP wouldn't have adopted reversal of the Obergefell v. Hodges precedent as a party platform plank in 2016. https://news.yahoo.com/richard-grenell-addresses-rnc-gop-220709699.html https://news.yahoo.com/richard-grenell-addresses-rnc-gop-220...
  - globular-toast 6y ago
    The US isn't the world.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      Obviously, but calling gay rights a "battle already won" when the third largest country in the world by population still has one of its two major political parties fighting tooth-and-claw on the issue seems premature.
      - wil421 6y ago
        What do the 2 largest countries by population do?
    - Tainnor 6y ago
      Sadly, it's not solved in the rest of the world either. LGBT rights in Poland and Russia are in dire straits. In Chechnya, I think they still deport gay people. In far too many countries, homosexuality is still illegal. Even in the Western world, growing up gay or trans often is associated with a measurably higher level of stress. Of course, it got better, but it's still not over.
      - globular-toast 6y ago
        OK. It's missing my point, though. Gay rights is a bad example in some parts of the world, clearly. But my point was these people are usually vocal about issues that aren't really controversial.
cmdshiftf4 6y ago
>it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this. It's about power and is using something people are very unlikely to disagree with to grab at power. "We're anti-racists, therefore if you oppose us or our actions you must be racists". "We're anti-fascist, therefore if you oppose us or our actions you must be fascists". And it's very effective. Just look at the choke-hold it has corporate America in, in particular, at the moment.
- monoideism 6y ago
  > And it's very effective Yes, the CRT/Woke crowd learned well from the success of Frank Lunz and similar conservatives in the 80s and 90s. Their ideology may well break apart the country, but their linguistic propaganda is very effective, indeed.
1241414315 6y ago
> forced hysterectomies are performed on undocumented immigrants in concentration camps show that it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this. The accused doctor is named Mahendra Amin, is an immigrant, is brown (if you couldn't tell from his name), and has a history of medicare/medicaid fraud (he settled with the State of Georgia). How did what is most likely just more insurance fraud from a brown immigrant quack with a history of insurance fraud become "Nazi forced sterilizations in concentration camps?" Ironically, I'm more likely to be downvoted/flagged for pointed out the doctor's name, race, and immigration status than you are for spreading misinformation.

globular-toast 6y ago

They are just conformists. PG wrote an excellent piece about conformism here: http://paulgraham.com/conformism.html http://paulgraham.com/conformism.html True progressives are out there fighting current battles. Corruption, bribery, current-day slavery etc. Conformists are out there marching about battles already won like gay rights, slavery in the United States etc.

shadowgovt 6y ago
Gay rights is hardly a settled issue. If it were, the GOP wouldn't have adopted reversal of the Obergefell v. Hodges precedent as a party platform plank in 2016. https://news.yahoo.com/richard-grenell-addresses-rnc-gop-220709699.html https://news.yahoo.com/richard-grenell-addresses-rnc-gop-220...
- globular-toast 6y ago
  The US isn't the world.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    Obviously, but calling gay rights a "battle already won" when the third largest country in the world by population still has one of its two major political parties fighting tooth-and-claw on the issue seems premature.
    - wil421 6y ago
      What do the 2 largest countries by population do?
  - Tainnor 6y ago
    Sadly, it's not solved in the rest of the world either. LGBT rights in Poland and Russia are in dire straits. In Chechnya, I think they still deport gay people. In far too many countries, homosexuality is still illegal. Even in the Western world, growing up gay or trans often is associated with a measurably higher level of stress. Of course, it got better, but it's still not over.
    - globular-toast 6y ago
      OK. It's missing my point, though. Gay rights is a bad example in some parts of the world, clearly. But my point was these people are usually vocal about issues that aren't really controversial.

cmdshiftf4 6y ago

>it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this. It's about power and is using something people are very unlikely to disagree with to grab at power. "We're anti-racists, therefore if you oppose us or our actions you must be racists". "We're anti-fascist, therefore if you oppose us or our actions you must be fascists". And it's very effective. Just look at the choke-hold it has corporate America in, in particular, at the moment.

monoideism 6y ago
> And it's very effective Yes, the CRT/Woke crowd learned well from the success of Frank Lunz and similar conservatives in the 80s and 90s. Their ideology may well break apart the country, but their linguistic propaganda is very effective, indeed.

1241414315 6y ago

> forced hysterectomies are performed on undocumented immigrants in concentration camps show that it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this. The accused doctor is named Mahendra Amin, is an immigrant, is brown (if you couldn't tell from his name), and has a history of medicare/medicaid fraud (he settled with the State of Georgia). How did what is most likely just more insurance fraud from a brown immigrant quack with a history of insurance fraud become "Nazi forced sterilizations in concentration camps?" Ironically, I'm more likely to be downvoted/flagged for pointed out the doctor's name, race, and immigration status than you are for spreading misinformation.