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I don't think I'd group Epic Games vs Apple in that category. Epic Games has got to be one of companies feeling the most individual impact from how Apple runs t

I don't think I'd group Epic Games vs Apple in that category. Epic Games has got to be one of companies feeling the most individual impact from how Apple runs their store. Their case is very much a 'them' thing and not some sort of public service.

ReptileMan 6y ago
I disagree. Epic have enough clout to cut a sweetheart deal behind closed doors with Apple. They just refused to pay the dane geld. The apple store is a golden garrote on the ios platform. I don't have to pay 45% more for software to use on device I own.
mhh__ 6y ago
What's good for them isn't necessarily bad for us as a result of that. Being able to run whatever you want on hardware you own should he a legal requirement let alone a company of Epic's size having to fight it out legally.
- foerbert 6y ago
  I was careful not to comment on the actual good-ness of the potential results for a reason. All I said is that Epic Games did not file the suit purely out of the goodness of their hearts, the desire to make the world a better place, and despite their own wallets. They are doing this for themselves. It doesn't mean the results can't be good, but it does mean it shouldn't be on a list of lawsuits filed for purely altruistic reasons with no selfish motives.
  - californical 6y ago
    It’s a little tricky because there has to be some level of selfish motives for a business with many stakeholders to take a gamble like that. Like, the UC system was paying extraordinary amounts of money for their access to that publishing platform, and the platform wanted even more for the privilege of making the articles free to the public. There was a selfish incentive there too (10s of millions of dollars). Even though they had plenty of money to just pay the fee, they could argue that they were financially benefitting themselves while also helping the entire academic community. I don’t think businesses/organizations would ever do something totally altruistically without some inward benefit. I think the math for Epic Games leans more selfishly in their lawsuit than many others, but I don’t think the motivations were entirely selfish either. It’s possible that I’m wrong though.
  - GoblinSlayer 6y ago
    Sure, most american businesses are delusional that reputation is not an asset, maybe Epic Games aren't that stupid.

ReptileMan 6y ago

I disagree. Epic have enough clout to cut a sweetheart deal behind closed doors with Apple. They just refused to pay the dane geld. The apple store is a golden garrote on the ios platform. I don't have to pay 45% more for software to use on device I own.

mhh__ 6y ago

What's good for them isn't necessarily bad for us as a result of that. Being able to run whatever you want on hardware you own should he a legal requirement let alone a company of Epic's size having to fight it out legally.

foerbert 6y ago
I was careful not to comment on the actual good-ness of the potential results for a reason. All I said is that Epic Games did not file the suit purely out of the goodness of their hearts, the desire to make the world a better place, and despite their own wallets. They are doing this for themselves. It doesn't mean the results can't be good, but it does mean it shouldn't be on a list of lawsuits filed for purely altruistic reasons with no selfish motives.
- californical 6y ago
  It’s a little tricky because there has to be some level of selfish motives for a business with many stakeholders to take a gamble like that. Like, the UC system was paying extraordinary amounts of money for their access to that publishing platform, and the platform wanted even more for the privilege of making the articles free to the public. There was a selfish incentive there too (10s of millions of dollars). Even though they had plenty of money to just pay the fee, they could argue that they were financially benefitting themselves while also helping the entire academic community. I don’t think businesses/organizations would ever do something totally altruistically without some inward benefit. I think the math for Epic Games leans more selfishly in their lawsuit than many others, but I don’t think the motivations were entirely selfish either. It’s possible that I’m wrong though.
- GoblinSlayer 6y ago
  Sure, most american businesses are delusional that reputation is not an asset, maybe Epic Games aren't that stupid.