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> Now if the government had ordered this moderation, that's where the idea of rights and first amendment comes into play. That may be the latest popular interp

> Now if the government had ordered this moderation, that's where the idea of rights and first amendment comes into play. That may be the latest popular interpretation of the bill of rights, but it is absolutely not in the original spirit of its authors. They were defined as "inalienable rights" granted to all people. In other words, your essential human rights to free expression don't get waived depending on who the offending party is.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
There is no “offending party”. Freedom of speech means speech cannot be compulsory. What would be contrary to the “original spirit” would be forcing Twitter and Facebook to amplify speech they don’t want to.
- chroem- 6y ago
  Your implication is that Twitter and Facebook are human beings, and I think a majority of people would contest that idea. What I am saying is that the authors of the bill of rights did not intend for a person's human rights to go away the moment they are persecuted by an entity other than the United States federal government.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    The New York Post is also not a human being, for that matter. But I wasn’t implying that. People want to use Twitter’s property to spread a message, and Twitter said no. That’s not “persecution”, it just means they have to find some other way to do it. If I get kicked out of a bar because I say something the owners don’t like, I’m not being persecuted — even if I think it’s unfair.
    - chroem- 6y ago
      We already have a significant amount of legal precedent to compel a private business to serve certain groups. Those protected groups were legally enshrined in the first place to extend them the same rights that everyone else already enjoyed by common custom, not to create a new group of people with elevated privileges. In my opinion, it's time that we now legally enshrine the common custom of a right to service as well.
      - jakelazaroff 6y ago
        I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. What group has elevated privileges, and what group is being discriminated against that needs protecting?
    - zajio1am 6y ago
      > If I get kicked out of a bar because I say something the owners don’t like, I’m not being persecuted — even if I think it’s unfair. In some countries that would be violation of consumer protection laws. If some service or product is offered to a general public, than arbitrary exclusion of a consumer is illegal in some jurisdictions.

jakelazaroff 6y ago

There is no “offending party”. Freedom of speech means speech cannot be compulsory. What would be contrary to the “original spirit” would be forcing Twitter and Facebook to amplify speech they don’t want to.

chroem- 6y ago
Your implication is that Twitter and Facebook are human beings, and I think a majority of people would contest that idea. What I am saying is that the authors of the bill of rights did not intend for a person's human rights to go away the moment they are persecuted by an entity other than the United States federal government.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  The New York Post is also not a human being, for that matter. But I wasn’t implying that. People want to use Twitter’s property to spread a message, and Twitter said no. That’s not “persecution”, it just means they have to find some other way to do it. If I get kicked out of a bar because I say something the owners don’t like, I’m not being persecuted — even if I think it’s unfair.
  - chroem- 6y ago
    We already have a significant amount of legal precedent to compel a private business to serve certain groups. Those protected groups were legally enshrined in the first place to extend them the same rights that everyone else already enjoyed by common custom, not to create a new group of people with elevated privileges. In my opinion, it's time that we now legally enshrine the common custom of a right to service as well.
    - jakelazaroff 6y ago
      I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. What group has elevated privileges, and what group is being discriminated against that needs protecting?
  - zajio1am 6y ago
    > If I get kicked out of a bar because I say something the owners don’t like, I’m not being persecuted — even if I think it’s unfair. In some countries that would be violation of consumer protection laws. If some service or product is offered to a general public, than arbitrary exclusion of a consumer is illegal in some jurisdictions.