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I cannot agree more. If i could upvote twice i would. We are loosing biodiversity at a rate comparable to the last mass extinctions, we are loosing our "life s

I cannot agree more. If i could upvote twice i would. We are loosing biodiversity at a rate comparable to the last mass extinctions, we are loosing our "life support systems" as climate/biodiv. experts say, yet no one is concerned. This is beyond the worst i ever expected in my worst nightmares. And this is happening now. And no one says a world. No one even dare spending 5 minute reading the material. No one cares. If we go extinct (with 95% of the other species first) it will be well deserved. By the way, the science says that the dynamics are NOT in our favour: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/08/wildlife-destruction-not-a-slippery-slope-but-a-series-of-cliff-edges https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/08/wildlife...

dotancohen 6y ago
> And no one says a world. No one even dare spending > 5 minute reading the material. No one cares. Recommend something that I can give to people that they can read in 5 minutes and be convinced.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  We are living in an age where people outright deny the existence of a global pandemic because they don't like the inconvenience of their favorite bars being closed or having to wear a mask. There is no document in the universe of any length that will convince them.
  - thaumasiotes 6y ago
    > We are living in an age where people outright deny the existence of a global pandemic because they don't like the inconvenience Well, no one I know, and no one they know, has been hurt by the coronavirus. And the list of people I know includes two people from Wuhan. If we went out a third degree, we would likely start to pick up victims. On the other hand, I do personally know someone who was injured by the response; this person responded so badly to the lockdown that they had to be committed. It's possible that the existence of a pandemic isn't what people are denying...
    - ganafagol 6y ago
      > Well, no one I know, and no one they know, has been hurt by the coronavirus. Don't worry, considering how things are going, that will change this winter. Unless you are in New Zealand.
    - yakz 6y ago
      If we're going with anecdotes, my SO's parents both had it with her mother spending 10 days in hospital during which they started her on dialysis, which she will need for the rest of her life.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    We're living in an age where people deny the existence of jurisdictions that have gone without arbitrary closings and they're doing just fine, if not better than many jurisdictions that have had harsh lockdowns. But no document in the universe of any length will convince them that population control is not the answer.
    - wongarsu 6y ago
      Harsh lockdowns are the last-ditch effort when everything is out of control. The places that didn't do them didn't need them because they had a good initial response or have very favorable demographics or culture
- sjy 6y ago
  I recommend Steffen et al, Trajectories of the Earth System in the Anthropocene (2018) [1]. You can’t read the whole thing in 5 minutes, but you can read the three figures and their captions, which say a lot, and it’s open access, peer reviewed and recent. Maybe your point is that the Earth system is too complicated to explain in 5 minutes, and that’s fair enough, but I do think the climate change policy debate would be a little more sensible if you were expected to spend at least 5 minutes reading this kind of literature before participating. [1] https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252 https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252
  - dotancohen 6y ago
    Thank you, but this is not for the layman. I have no problem recommending something that takes longer than 5 minutes to read, but it does have to be readable.
- willturman 6y ago
  It's longer than 5 minutes, but David Attenborough's new film: A Life On Our Planet [1] presents the issues were facing from unsustainable growth and offers solutions in maintaining robust biodiversity on our planet. [1] https://www.attenboroughfilm.com/ https://www.attenboroughfilm.com/
bmitc 6y ago
We need to be teaching systems theory in high schools.
notdang 6y ago
is it bad if we go extinct?

dotancohen 6y ago

> And no one says a world. No one even dare spending > 5 minute reading the material. No one cares. Recommend something that I can give to people that they can read in 5 minutes and be convinced.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
We are living in an age where people outright deny the existence of a global pandemic because they don't like the inconvenience of their favorite bars being closed or having to wear a mask. There is no document in the universe of any length that will convince them.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > We are living in an age where people outright deny the existence of a global pandemic because they don't like the inconvenience Well, no one I know, and no one they know, has been hurt by the coronavirus. And the list of people I know includes two people from Wuhan. If we went out a third degree, we would likely start to pick up victims. On the other hand, I do personally know someone who was injured by the response; this person responded so badly to the lockdown that they had to be committed. It's possible that the existence of a pandemic isn't what people are denying...
  - ganafagol 6y ago
    > Well, no one I know, and no one they know, has been hurt by the coronavirus. Don't worry, considering how things are going, that will change this winter. Unless you are in New Zealand.
  - yakz 6y ago
    If we're going with anecdotes, my SO's parents both had it with her mother spending 10 days in hospital during which they started her on dialysis, which she will need for the rest of her life.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  We're living in an age where people deny the existence of jurisdictions that have gone without arbitrary closings and they're doing just fine, if not better than many jurisdictions that have had harsh lockdowns. But no document in the universe of any length will convince them that population control is not the answer.
  - wongarsu 6y ago
    Harsh lockdowns are the last-ditch effort when everything is out of control. The places that didn't do them didn't need them because they had a good initial response or have very favorable demographics or culture
sjy 6y ago
I recommend Steffen et al, Trajectories of the Earth System in the Anthropocene (2018) [1]. You can’t read the whole thing in 5 minutes, but you can read the three figures and their captions, which say a lot, and it’s open access, peer reviewed and recent. Maybe your point is that the Earth system is too complicated to explain in 5 minutes, and that’s fair enough, but I do think the climate change policy debate would be a little more sensible if you were expected to spend at least 5 minutes reading this kind of literature before participating. [1] https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252 https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252
- dotancohen 6y ago
  Thank you, but this is not for the layman. I have no problem recommending something that takes longer than 5 minutes to read, but it does have to be readable.
willturman 6y ago
It's longer than 5 minutes, but David Attenborough's new film: A Life On Our Planet [1] presents the issues were facing from unsustainable growth and offers solutions in maintaining robust biodiversity on our planet. [1] https://www.attenboroughfilm.com/ https://www.attenboroughfilm.com/

bmitc 6y ago

We need to be teaching systems theory in high schools.

notdang 6y ago

is it bad if we go extinct?