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They don't have meaning in terms of "liberal media" vs "left media" though, at least how the poster you replied to was using the term. It doesn't do any good t

They don't have meaning in terms of "liberal media" vs "left media" though, at least how the poster you replied to was using the term. It doesn't do any good to introduce jargon to people who are unfamiliar with it without defining your terms.

joejohnson 6y ago
There is absolutely a distinction between liberal media (the NY Times, MSNBC, etc) and left media (Jacobin, Democracy Now!, Current Affairs, etc) and this distinction is made by Taibbi. Your ignorance on the subject is not shared by everyone.
- akvadrako 6y ago
  NYT and MSNBC are left of center in the USA. As is Twitter, which is what's relevant here. Which is what makes them left-wing media.
- nl 6y ago
  This distinction is neither as clear nor as absolute as you appear to believe. Classical liberalism[1] is an economic stance somewhat similar to the economic views of libertarianism in the US. This is distinct from social liberalism which is what "liberal" commonly means in the US, which mostly overlaps with what could be called "progressive politics". "Classical Liberalism" is confusing in the modern context, so it is rarely used execpt by people trying to confuse people (eg, right wing commentators who claim to be "classical liberals"). The biggest exception to this is the (right-wing, conservative) Liberal party in Australia, which was founded on the ideas of "Classical Liberalism" There's also "liberal" in the "liberal democracy" sense. This is where multiple parties contend for power under known, written down rules.[2] And then there is "left-[wing]". Left wing can refer to a social view, where it is used as a close-synonym for social liberalism or progressivism. Or it can refer to an economic view, which is much more context (and country) specific. In the context of US politics the Democratic party is the most left-wing major party in both an economic and social sense. In terms of media sources, the NY Times is definitely a proponent of "liberal democracy", but in a social and economic sense it is fairly centerist (despite the claims to the contrary by populist). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism [2] https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/l/Liberal_democracy.htm https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/l/Libera...
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    All this yacking about "well in America words have different meanings" (as if anyone on earth has been able to escape the onslaught of USA media) only makes it clear how unfamiliar all these nerds are with Taibbi's work. Taibbi is an actual leftist, and therefore has been attacked by liberals. If you search you can find absolutely ridiculous slander written about him in HN comments in the last several years.

joejohnson 6y ago

There is absolutely a distinction between liberal media (the NY Times, MSNBC, etc) and left media (Jacobin, Democracy Now!, Current Affairs, etc) and this distinction is made by Taibbi. Your ignorance on the subject is not shared by everyone.

akvadrako 6y ago
NYT and MSNBC are left of center in the USA. As is Twitter, which is what's relevant here. Which is what makes them left-wing media.
nl 6y ago
This distinction is neither as clear nor as absolute as you appear to believe. Classical liberalism[1] is an economic stance somewhat similar to the economic views of libertarianism in the US. This is distinct from social liberalism which is what "liberal" commonly means in the US, which mostly overlaps with what could be called "progressive politics". "Classical Liberalism" is confusing in the modern context, so it is rarely used execpt by people trying to confuse people (eg, right wing commentators who claim to be "classical liberals"). The biggest exception to this is the (right-wing, conservative) Liberal party in Australia, which was founded on the ideas of "Classical Liberalism" There's also "liberal" in the "liberal democracy" sense. This is where multiple parties contend for power under known, written down rules.[2] And then there is "left-[wing]". Left wing can refer to a social view, where it is used as a close-synonym for social liberalism or progressivism. Or it can refer to an economic view, which is much more context (and country) specific. In the context of US politics the Democratic party is the most left-wing major party in both an economic and social sense. In terms of media sources, the NY Times is definitely a proponent of "liberal democracy", but in a social and economic sense it is fairly centerist (despite the claims to the contrary by populist). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism [2] https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/l/Liberal_democracy.htm https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/l/Libera...
- jessaustin 6y ago
  All this yacking about "well in America words have different meanings" (as if anyone on earth has been able to escape the onslaught of USA media) only makes it clear how unfamiliar all these nerds are with Taibbi's work. Taibbi is an actual leftist, and therefore has been attacked by liberals. If you search you can find absolutely ridiculous slander written about him in HN comments in the last several years.