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FWIW the people of Crimea overwhelmingly support Russian occupation according to independent Pew surveys. Any sanctions only serve to punish Crimeans, presumabl

by 0xy 6y ago

FWIW the people of Crimea overwhelmingly support Russian occupation according to independent Pew surveys. Any sanctions only serve to punish Crimeans, presumably to appease the Ukraine government (which is just as corrupt as Russia).

Gibbon1 6y ago
My opinion, Crimea is a geopolitical nuance. Any cunning plan cooked up by a western leader that has to do with Crimea blows up in their face.
- ohmaigad 6y ago
  It is not a nuance, it is a terrible precedent showing that Russia can just come and take away a sovereign states territory. It is like a bigger tougher person coming into your home and starting to live there and there is nobody who is going to help you.
  - bjg2 6y ago
    it's not a precedent, kosovo was a precedent. there can't be two precedents. international law got fucked up back then.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    Yeah Russia took The Crimea from the Turks almost 250 years ago. Western designs on the place never have anything to do with the people that live there. Always blow up in their face to determent of the various peoples that live there.
kspacewalk2 6y ago
Conducting 'independent surveys' under military occupation in an authoritarian state is a thoroughly nonsensical proposition. In Russia, it is literally a crime (incitement of separatism) to question Crimea's status as rightfully Russian[0]. [0] https://meduza.io/cards/kak-v-rossii-presleduyut-za-prizyvy-vernut-krym-ukraine https://meduza.io/cards/kak-v-rossii-presleduyut-za-prizyvy-...
- 0xy 6y ago
  I'm more inclined to trust nonpartisan independent Pew Research than your opinion. It's not the only independent survey either. There's also survey evidence from before the occupation.
  - kspacewalk2 6y ago
    Polls before occupation were in the range of 40-60%. If that's a good enough metric for conducting drive-by referenda under the watchful eye of heavily armed 'observers', someone tell the Catalonians and the Scots about this option (among many others).

by 0xy 6y ago

Gibbon1 6y ago

My opinion, Crimea is a geopolitical nuance. Any cunning plan cooked up by a western leader that has to do with Crimea blows up in their face.

ohmaigad 6y ago
It is not a nuance, it is a terrible precedent showing that Russia can just come and take away a sovereign states territory. It is like a bigger tougher person coming into your home and starting to live there and there is nobody who is going to help you.
- bjg2 6y ago
  it's not a precedent, kosovo was a precedent. there can't be two precedents. international law got fucked up back then.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  Yeah Russia took The Crimea from the Turks almost 250 years ago. Western designs on the place never have anything to do with the people that live there. Always blow up in their face to determent of the various peoples that live there.

kspacewalk2 6y ago

Conducting 'independent surveys' under military occupation in an authoritarian state is a thoroughly nonsensical proposition. In Russia, it is literally a crime (incitement of separatism) to question Crimea's status as rightfully Russian[0]. [0] https://meduza.io/cards/kak-v-rossii-presleduyut-za-prizyvy-vernut-krym-ukraine https://meduza.io/cards/kak-v-rossii-presleduyut-za-prizyvy-...

0xy 6y ago
I'm more inclined to trust nonpartisan independent Pew Research than your opinion. It's not the only independent survey either. There's also survey evidence from before the occupation.
- kspacewalk2 6y ago
  Polls before occupation were in the range of 40-60%. If that's a good enough metric for conducting drive-by referenda under the watchful eye of heavily armed 'observers', someone tell the Catalonians and the Scots about this option (among many others).