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Fedora switched to Wayland, that is unfortunate for X.Org users but basically it means someone stopped fixing issues. You either fix them yourself and contribu

Fedora switched to Wayland, that is unfortunate for X.Org users but basically it means someone stopped fixing issues. You either fix them yourself and contribute back if possible. Or switch to distribution where someone still fixes these issues. I've investigated X.Org caused bug just for two days and since then totally support Wayland development. What we have today is not healthy.

grandinj 6y ago
We used to have a well-functioning display server that was robust and battle-tested. The wayland people replaced that with a half-baked solution because they insisted on boiling the ocean - replacing the entire thing in one go, instead of working piecemeal (which the X protocol was explicitly designed to allow). Which is a great pity, because now the day of the Linux Desktop is even further off.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  X.Org people replaced it with Wayland. Are you going to maintain X.Org? Who is going to maintain it? Maybe you are going to hire developers to preserve purity? > instead of working piecemeal That's exactly what happened. Do you remember fonts without anti-aliasing? Run xfontsel, that's X11 fonts rendering. Freetype, Fontconfig, Cairo, Pango, HarfBuzz work on client side and push pixels to X Server. Entire rendering model changed, X.Org become compositor. They've faced limits, they've implemented DRI, DRI2 [1]. Now developers decided to make good compositor. And they've done it without disturbing X11 ecosystem, with clean way to port toolkits. Window Managers can't be ported but they can be reimplemented, just look how many compositors people built [2]. It is a miracle. Linux future is bright. Video drivers moved from X Server to kernel, display configuration parts replaced by KMS, we've got modern font rendering, text shaping, we've got open source AMD GPU driver! I still use Intel GPU, X.Org and xmonad, but the times they are a changing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructur... [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland
  - nullc 6y ago
    > Do you remember fonts without anti-aliasing? On a 200 dpi display the xfontsel display looks better. :)
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      I believe you can disable anti aliasing and font hinting in Fontconfig.
- meddlepal 6y ago
  The day of the Linux desktop is Windows with WSL2. The irony.
  - blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
    Did you ever actually setup a graphical environment with WSL2? I run one, which is why to me the irony feels reversed to what you probably meant. It's clumsy, slow and tedious to setup.

grandinj 6y ago

We used to have a well-functioning display server that was robust and battle-tested. The wayland people replaced that with a half-baked solution because they insisted on boiling the ocean - replacing the entire thing in one go, instead of working piecemeal (which the X protocol was explicitly designed to allow). Which is a great pity, because now the day of the Linux Desktop is even further off.

sergeykish 6y ago
X.Org people replaced it with Wayland. Are you going to maintain X.Org? Who is going to maintain it? Maybe you are going to hire developers to preserve purity? > instead of working piecemeal That's exactly what happened. Do you remember fonts without anti-aliasing? Run xfontsel, that's X11 fonts rendering. Freetype, Fontconfig, Cairo, Pango, HarfBuzz work on client side and push pixels to X Server. Entire rendering model changed, X.Org become compositor. They've faced limits, they've implemented DRI, DRI2 [1]. Now developers decided to make good compositor. And they've done it without disturbing X11 ecosystem, with clean way to port toolkits. Window Managers can't be ported but they can be reimplemented, just look how many compositors people built [2]. It is a miracle. Linux future is bright. Video drivers moved from X Server to kernel, display configuration parts replaced by KMS, we've got modern font rendering, text shaping, we've got open source AMD GPU driver! I still use Intel GPU, X.Org and xmonad, but the times they are a changing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructur... [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland
- nullc 6y ago
  > Do you remember fonts without anti-aliasing? On a 200 dpi display the xfontsel display looks better. :)
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    I believe you can disable anti aliasing and font hinting in Fontconfig.
meddlepal 6y ago
The day of the Linux desktop is Windows with WSL2. The irony.
- blockmeifyoucan 6y ago
  Did you ever actually setup a graphical environment with WSL2? I run one, which is why to me the irony feels reversed to what you probably meant. It's clumsy, slow and tedious to setup.