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I believe you are correct, specifically about the label; allowing a mental health concern to be your identity, or even just part of it, can be more disabling th

I believe you are correct, specifically about the label; allowing a mental health concern to be your identity, or even just part of it, can be more disabling than the problem itself. It also allows many people who would otherwise find ways to cope (healthily or not) to use the label as a crutch. "My depression made me..." or "My autism causes me to..." are not uncommon phrases to hear now.

omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
It can be. On the flip side, I think there are people, who have been labeled negatively (eg lazy) because of a behavioral or medical condition, and now associate the traits that have been viewed negatively with that condition.
- sascha_sl 6y ago
  Stigma is a huge problem, especially when initially seeking help. Burnout took years to be added to diagnostic manuals, and still people are scoffing whenever someone drops out after being worked to the bone for months.
  - eurasiantiger 6y ago
    In Finland, burnout is not considered a valid reason for sick leave. Depression is, so people are only given sick leave if they accept that diagnosis and medication.
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    - mushbino 6y ago
      It's basically the same in the US. Taking care of your "Mental Health" is corporate speak for burnout. There is talk about avoiding burnout, but if someone has to actually take leave because of it, there are no legal protections for burnout, but there are for mental health issues. Mental health can be treated, but burnout is harder to come back from in the eyes of the company.
sascha_sl 6y ago
This is a fun way to avoid the actual thing we should talk about: We have systemic issues in our society that make people sick. Treating impacted mental health exclusively as a cause in and of itself - a personal issue - is a serious oversight, especially when we know those that have to fear for their survival living paycheck to paycheck are at much, much greater risk. I'm sure you can think of different social developments that relate to this too if you're a hardline "you are responsible for your own situation" capitalist without much thought given to individual privilege. There's plenty of others. Let's take social media incentivizing only sharing positive things, leading to bias when comparing your situation to others, for instance. The current system is a band aid on top of structural issues, nothing else. No amount of CBT and SSRIs can fix these.
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  this, a hundred times. the labels are a form of victim-blaming.
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- adamsea 6y ago
  Agreed, but both can be true to varying degrees at the same time. Bipolar disorder, clinical depression / major depressive issues, etc. Plus, since each "band aid" in this case is a human life - a person who may then be able to go on to help others and reform the system, I'm definitely a fan of pursuing both avenues at the same time.
  - sascha_sl 6y ago
    Of course mood affecting disorders exist on their own, it is just that they are heavily exacerbated in those susceptible to them if they have to constantly stress about their existence. By band-aid I meant more that they are a detraction from the root cause. As I said before, our forms of treatment can not cure these conditions as long as the root cause is not tackled.
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omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago

It can be. On the flip side, I think there are people, who have been labeled negatively (eg lazy) because of a behavioral or medical condition, and now associate the traits that have been viewed negatively with that condition.

sascha_sl 6y ago
Stigma is a huge problem, especially when initially seeking help. Burnout took years to be added to diagnostic manuals, and still people are scoffing whenever someone drops out after being worked to the bone for months.
- eurasiantiger 6y ago
  In Finland, burnout is not considered a valid reason for sick leave. Depression is, so people are only given sick leave if they accept that diagnosis and medication.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - mushbino 6y ago
    It's basically the same in the US. Taking care of your "Mental Health" is corporate speak for burnout. There is talk about avoiding burnout, but if someone has to actually take leave because of it, there are no legal protections for burnout, but there are for mental health issues. Mental health can be treated, but burnout is harder to come back from in the eyes of the company.

sascha_sl 6y ago

This is a fun way to avoid the actual thing we should talk about: We have systemic issues in our society that make people sick. Treating impacted mental health exclusively as a cause in and of itself - a personal issue - is a serious oversight, especially when we know those that have to fear for their survival living paycheck to paycheck are at much, much greater risk. I'm sure you can think of different social developments that relate to this too if you're a hardline "you are responsible for your own situation" capitalist without much thought given to individual privilege. There's plenty of others. Let's take social media incentivizing only sharing positive things, leading to bias when comparing your situation to others, for instance. The current system is a band aid on top of structural issues, nothing else. No amount of CBT and SSRIs can fix these.

forgotmypw17 6y ago
this, a hundred times. the labels are a form of victim-blaming.
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adamsea 6y ago
Agreed, but both can be true to varying degrees at the same time. Bipolar disorder, clinical depression / major depressive issues, etc. Plus, since each "band aid" in this case is a human life - a person who may then be able to go on to help others and reform the system, I'm definitely a fan of pursuing both avenues at the same time.
- sascha_sl 6y ago
  Of course mood affecting disorders exist on their own, it is just that they are heavily exacerbated in those susceptible to them if they have to constantly stress about their existence. By band-aid I meant more that they are a detraction from the root cause. As I said before, our forms of treatment can not cure these conditions as long as the root cause is not tackled.
  - 6y ago