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I know bees are fundamental but I think we should adjust ourselves along with nature, and not try to always dictate things. We can live without honey, eat fruit

I know bees are fundamental but I think we should adjust ourselves along with nature, and not try to always dictate things. We can live without honey, eat fruits instead (for which wasps and hornets participate also in pollination), they even provide better nutrients

macintux 6y ago
Ignoring the threat that these hornets pose to people, standing back and allowing our honeybee population to be wiped out would have incalculable effects across the ecosystem. They're a major pollinator. Sure, there are others, but why would we risk adding more catastrophe when we've already wiped out such a huge number of insects?
TulliusCicero 6y ago
> I know bees are fundamental but I think we should adjust ourselves along with nature, and not try to always dictate things. Nature? You realize this almost certainly happened because of international travel/trade, right?
- 11235813213455 6y ago
  > "this happened" You mean hornets? Of course I know, but we can still adapt our consumption mode, honeybees are for what? honey mostly. We can also reduce planes travel, that wouldn't hurt as well
  - TulliusCicero 6y ago
    > You mean hornets? No, I mean this specific species of hornet suddenly appearing thousands of kilometers away. That wasn't nature, that was mankind's intervention. Getting rid of them is hardly us 'dictating' things, it's restoring the natural order.
    - 11235813213455 6y ago
      > restoring the natural order that sounds weird, of course human influence massively things, but you can't just decide on how to restore the "natural" state like this, it may be even worse by trying to do something brutally. The good honeybees vs the bad hornets or wasps. It's much more complex. There are articles about how wild bees do a better job at pollination https://www.google.com/search?q=wild+bees+vs+honey+bees+pollination https://www.google.com/search?q=wild+bees+vs+honey+bees+poll..., wasps similarly play a huge role, for example with fruit trees (figs is the best example)
  - seattle_spring 6y ago
    > honeybees are for what? honey mostly And, you know, pollinating all of the plants we use for food.

macintux 6y ago

Ignoring the threat that these hornets pose to people, standing back and allowing our honeybee population to be wiped out would have incalculable effects across the ecosystem. They're a major pollinator. Sure, there are others, but why would we risk adding more catastrophe when we've already wiped out such a huge number of insects?

TulliusCicero 6y ago

> I know bees are fundamental but I think we should adjust ourselves along with nature, and not try to always dictate things. Nature? You realize this almost certainly happened because of international travel/trade, right?

11235813213455 6y ago
> "this happened" You mean hornets? Of course I know, but we can still adapt our consumption mode, honeybees are for what? honey mostly. We can also reduce planes travel, that wouldn't hurt as well
- TulliusCicero 6y ago
  > You mean hornets? No, I mean this specific species of hornet suddenly appearing thousands of kilometers away. That wasn't nature, that was mankind's intervention. Getting rid of them is hardly us 'dictating' things, it's restoring the natural order.
  - 11235813213455 6y ago
    > restoring the natural order that sounds weird, of course human influence massively things, but you can't just decide on how to restore the "natural" state like this, it may be even worse by trying to do something brutally. The good honeybees vs the bad hornets or wasps. It's much more complex. There are articles about how wild bees do a better job at pollination https://www.google.com/search?q=wild+bees+vs+honey+bees+pollination https://www.google.com/search?q=wild+bees+vs+honey+bees+poll..., wasps similarly play a huge role, for example with fruit trees (figs is the best example)
- seattle_spring 6y ago
  > honeybees are for what? honey mostly And, you know, pollinating all of the plants we use for food.