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The question is..if a AI reads a book is it against copyright? Or is the trained model a derived work of those books?
by nix23 6y ago
The question is..if a AI reads a book is it against copyright?
Or is the trained model a derived work of those books?
- ahoka 6y agoOf course it is a derived work.
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- nix23 6y agoThat opens some interesting questions...
- kerng 6y agoMaybe not so obvious. If you read a book, are you a derivative work?
- nix23 6y agoSoo reading the Kama Sutra leads to derivative "work" too :)
- blackoil 6y agoI read a Java book and created programs using knowledge given in the book. Is my program a derived work?
- ahoka 6y agoA book on Java was written to teach you Java, so it would be foolish to claim any copyright on your program.
- jhauris 6y agoIANAL: I think it's pretty clear it's a derived work, the open question afaik is whether it's fair use our not.
- Spooky23 6y agoIf AI has human like rights to read and learn and create derived works, what other rights does it have? Perhaps we should figure that before we start a dystopian nightmare of written material.
- mdifrgechd 6y agoI can imagine building a model that is a derived work, but I don't see why all models trained on a corpus that contains some text can automatically be thought of as derived from that text in a creative sense. Models like GPT are using the text as a specific instance of the latent relationships that make up our language. The text is an example of english to learn from, it's not a creative work being extended. Training a language model, I would argue, is equivalent (in terms of being derivative) to generating a list of the top ten words in a corpus of text. Not really a derived work.
- mdifrgechd 6y agoOne possible counterpoint- sample based explanation techniques can tell what training data was most influential in a ML model's prediction, and this has been considered in language models[0]. So you could argue that if there are training examples within a corpus that are having an outsized influence on the model output, then maybe it is derivative. This would be pretty cool to look at - are some GPT or other language model outputs relying strongly on a few sources? [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.03611 https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.03611
- lacker 6y agoIt is probably not a derived work. To be a derived work it is not enough to simply use the original work in its construction; it must contain major copyrightable elements of the original work. The weights and parameters present in the model do not seem to fit that description; generally you can’t copyright a bunch of numbers. That said, I don’t think this has been confirmed by a major court case yet, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens at some point.
- fakedang 6y agoBut for a dynamically learning machine model, can you even copyright the numbers?
- mcguire 6y agoThe question is, "Do the creators of bibliotik have proper licenses to aggregate those books into a dataset?" The dataset is certainly a derived work. Edit: https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/humble_books_20180509/ https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/humble_books_20180509/ Cue the "they're depriving me of my income" complaints from authors.
- nix23 6y ago>The dataset is certainly a derived work That was not the question.
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