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Switzerland, as well as almost every western country that ratified the relevant WIPO treaties, has broadly similar laws to the DMCA: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en

Switzerland, as well as almost every western country that ratified the relevant WIPO treaties, has broadly similar laws to the DMCA: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/index.html#id-ni10 https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...

nix23 6y ago
Yes and? I just wrote that removing DRM is not illegal here, but distributing the de-drm material is. And tools to remove drm is also not illegal.
- saddlerustle 6y ago
  If you read the link you will notice that just like the DMCA, distributing tools capable of removing DRM is illegal in some cases.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >The ban on circumvention may not be enforced against those persons who undertake the circumvention exclusively for legally permitted uses. And download a Youtube Video is legal. Storing your DVD's in another format and rip your CD's EDIT: BTW in the take-down notice you can read that the tool promotes or is/can be used to download Justin Timberlake (and that would be illegal if you redistribute it) so it's not that the code to decrypt is illegal (you know "hackertools" are illegal in germany too) but the potential intention of the tool.
    - saddlerustle 6y ago
      "Exclusively" is the key word. Whether youtube-dl is designed to "exclusively" be used for legally permitted uses is a matter for a court to decide. The RIAA's claim listed several reasons why it believes this is not the case. The DMCA as written is a little more nuanced, but on whole the laws serve the same purpose.
      - nix23 6y ago
        >Exclusively Not the tool is meant here but the User, and you know it. It's legal to record radio, and record/download Youtube videos, if you don't redistribute it (outside Family and Friends
        saddlerustle 6y ago
        The distribution of youtube-dl itself is what's at issue, not the use of youtube-dl or the distribution of files downloaded with youtube-dl.
        nix23 6y ago
        And why is that not a issue anymore? (hint it was): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss
        saddlerustle 6y ago
        The RIAA is specifically making the allegation that "the source code was designed and is marketed for the purpose of circumventing YouTube’s technological measures to enable unauthorized access to our member’s copyrighted works" [1], justified by the references to copyrighted works in the youtube-dl readme and source code. If it wasn't for that, it'd be much easier to argue that it's designed for non-infringing purposes only (or one of the other exceptions to the DMCA's TPM clauses), like you could plausibly argue for libdvdcss. [1] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-23-RIAA.md https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-2...
        nix23 6y ago
        Just read that article: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/808cf690f8e801381778002590d8e506 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/808cf690f8e801381778002590d8e...

nix23 6y ago

Yes and? I just wrote that removing DRM is not illegal here, but distributing the de-drm material is. And tools to remove drm is also not illegal.

saddlerustle 6y ago
If you read the link you will notice that just like the DMCA, distributing tools capable of removing DRM is illegal in some cases.
- nix23 6y ago
  >The ban on circumvention may not be enforced against those persons who undertake the circumvention exclusively for legally permitted uses. And download a Youtube Video is legal. Storing your DVD's in another format and rip your CD's EDIT: BTW in the take-down notice you can read that the tool promotes or is/can be used to download Justin Timberlake (and that would be illegal if you redistribute it) so it's not that the code to decrypt is illegal (you know "hackertools" are illegal in germany too) but the potential intention of the tool.
  - saddlerustle 6y ago
    "Exclusively" is the key word. Whether youtube-dl is designed to "exclusively" be used for legally permitted uses is a matter for a court to decide. The RIAA's claim listed several reasons why it believes this is not the case. The DMCA as written is a little more nuanced, but on whole the laws serve the same purpose.
    - nix23 6y ago
      >Exclusively Not the tool is meant here but the User, and you know it. It's legal to record radio, and record/download Youtube videos, if you don't redistribute it (outside Family and Friends
      - saddlerustle 6y ago
        The distribution of youtube-dl itself is what's at issue, not the use of youtube-dl or the distribution of files downloaded with youtube-dl.
        nix23 6y ago
        And why is that not a issue anymore? (hint it was): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss
        saddlerustle 6y ago
        The RIAA is specifically making the allegation that "the source code was designed and is marketed for the purpose of circumventing YouTube’s technological measures to enable unauthorized access to our member’s copyrighted works" [1], justified by the references to copyrighted works in the youtube-dl readme and source code. If it wasn't for that, it'd be much easier to argue that it's designed for non-infringing purposes only (or one of the other exceptions to the DMCA's TPM clauses), like you could plausibly argue for libdvdcss. [1] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-23-RIAA.md https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-2...
        nix23 6y ago
        Just read that article: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/808cf690f8e801381778002590d8e506 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/808cf690f8e801381778002590d8e...