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No, youtube-dl is illegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures, which are scrambled specifically on most music videos, which a german

No, youtube-dl is illegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures, which are scrambled specifically on most music videos, which a german court ruled is an effective technological protection measure.

nix23 6y ago
>llegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures No it's not, in Switzerland for example it's legal to use tools to remove stuff like DRM, if you DONT redistribute the decrypted stuff. What a German Court says is often not relevant outside germany.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  Here's a video of a copyright lawyer agreeing with GP for 1h20min: https://youtu.be/wZITscblMBA https://youtu.be/wZITscblMBA In short, what a german court says will absolutely influence what a US court says in the context of an international copyright treaty.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >german court says will absolutely influence what a US court Not will but can. That's a difference...and i dont watch a 1h20min YT video about Copyright...when decrypting has nothing todo with copyright.
    - scrollaway 6y ago
      It's a video about the exact case in question, talks extensively about the decryption aspect and in general the circumvention of technological protection measures. Watch it, don't watch it, it doesn't matter to anyone here, but please lower that horse back down to earth, it's a little high.
      - nix23 6y ago
        >but please lower that horse back down to earth, it's a little high As if your talking about yourself, maybe your a bit young but we had the exact same problem in the past (decrypting DVD's) those are Disc who stored Movies on it. And a Swiss Court decided that it's legal to use dvcss (not sure about the name). And you tell me to watch a YT from a US Lawyer.
        scrollaway 6y ago
        If you'd bother watching the video you'd note that he specifically talks about the CSS DRM, and even the AACS encryption key. So yeah, tone it down a bit.
        nix23 6y ago
        >So yeah, tone it down a bit. Speak for yourself please.
- saddlerustle 6y ago
  Switzerland, as well as almost every western country that ratified the relevant WIPO treaties, has broadly similar laws to the DMCA: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/index.html#id-ni10 https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...
  - nix23 6y ago
    Yes and? I just wrote that removing DRM is not illegal here, but distributing the de-drm material is. And tools to remove drm is also not illegal.
    - saddlerustle 6y ago
      If you read the link you will notice that just like the DMCA, distributing tools capable of removing DRM is illegal in some cases.
      - nix23 6y ago
        >The ban on circumvention may not be enforced against those persons who undertake the circumvention exclusively for legally permitted uses. And download a Youtube Video is legal. Storing your DVD's in another format and rip your CD's EDIT: BTW in the take-down notice you can read that the tool promotes or is/can be used to download Justin Timberlake (and that would be illegal if you redistribute it) so it's not that the code to decrypt is illegal (you know "hackertools" are illegal in germany too) but the potential intention of the tool.
        saddlerustle 6y ago
        "Exclusively" is the key word. Whether youtube-dl is designed to "exclusively" be used for legally permitted uses is a matter for a court to decide. The RIAA's claim listed several reasons why it believes this is not the case. The DMCA as written is a little more nuanced, but on whole the laws serve the same purpose.

nix23 6y ago

>llegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures No it's not, in Switzerland for example it's legal to use tools to remove stuff like DRM, if you DONT redistribute the decrypted stuff. What a German Court says is often not relevant outside germany.

scrollaway 6y ago
Here's a video of a copyright lawyer agreeing with GP for 1h20min: https://youtu.be/wZITscblMBA https://youtu.be/wZITscblMBA In short, what a german court says will absolutely influence what a US court says in the context of an international copyright treaty.
- nix23 6y ago
  >german court says will absolutely influence what a US court Not will but can. That's a difference...and i dont watch a 1h20min YT video about Copyright...when decrypting has nothing todo with copyright.
  - scrollaway 6y ago
    It's a video about the exact case in question, talks extensively about the decryption aspect and in general the circumvention of technological protection measures. Watch it, don't watch it, it doesn't matter to anyone here, but please lower that horse back down to earth, it's a little high.
    - nix23 6y ago
      >but please lower that horse back down to earth, it's a little high As if your talking about yourself, maybe your a bit young but we had the exact same problem in the past (decrypting DVD's) those are Disc who stored Movies on it. And a Swiss Court decided that it's legal to use dvcss (not sure about the name). And you tell me to watch a YT from a US Lawyer.
      - scrollaway 6y ago
        If you'd bother watching the video you'd note that he specifically talks about the CSS DRM, and even the AACS encryption key. So yeah, tone it down a bit.
        nix23 6y ago
        >So yeah, tone it down a bit. Speak for yourself please.
saddlerustle 6y ago
Switzerland, as well as almost every western country that ratified the relevant WIPO treaties, has broadly similar laws to the DMCA: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/index.html#id-ni10 https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...
- nix23 6y ago
  Yes and? I just wrote that removing DRM is not illegal here, but distributing the de-drm material is. And tools to remove drm is also not illegal.
  - saddlerustle 6y ago
    If you read the link you will notice that just like the DMCA, distributing tools capable of removing DRM is illegal in some cases.
    - nix23 6y ago
      >The ban on circumvention may not be enforced against those persons who undertake the circumvention exclusively for legally permitted uses. And download a Youtube Video is legal. Storing your DVD's in another format and rip your CD's EDIT: BTW in the take-down notice you can read that the tool promotes or is/can be used to download Justin Timberlake (and that would be illegal if you redistribute it) so it's not that the code to decrypt is illegal (you know "hackertools" are illegal in germany too) but the potential intention of the tool.
      - saddlerustle 6y ago
        "Exclusively" is the key word. Whether youtube-dl is designed to "exclusively" be used for legally permitted uses is a matter for a court to decide. The RIAA's claim listed several reasons why it believes this is not the case. The DMCA as written is a little more nuanced, but on whole the laws serve the same purpose.