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> They're all grabbing and visualizing data from SCB. Then you should simply post the data from SBC, and not blog posts from random crank pots what just happen

by barumi 6y ago

> They're all grabbing and visualizing data from SCB. Then you should simply post the data from SBC, and not blog posts from random crank pots what just happened to master the art of copy/pasting. To put it differently, people are interested in what SBC has to say, not what grannypuncher69 commented on an epidemic.

henrikschroder 6y ago
> any crackpot > random crank pots > grannypuncher69 You took the time and effort to use a bunch of ad hominems to try to discredit my links, and yet you didn't address the data at all. Does the fact bother you that much that Sweden's all-cause mortality for 2020 is going to be completely unremarkable from a historical and statistical point of view? (Ok, third lowest mortality in recorded history is actually pretty remarkable, but it's also just the natural consequence of a decades long increase in life expectancy.)
- barumi 6y ago
  I'm sorry you didn't understood what I said. I've posted no ad-hominem. I did however pointed out the following facts: * blog posts and general social media blurbs posted by anonymous or pseudo-anonymous users are not references. They are somewhere between tertiary sources and bullshit made-up nonsense. * the use of the "grannypuncher69" handle was intended to illustrate how ridiculous it is to pass off random social media posts made by anonymous/pseudo-anonymous users as authoritative sources. * Primary sources, or at most secondary well-established sources, are the only acceptable forms of references, specially regarding scientific and technical subjects. * if no primary or secondary source exists then it's pretty clear that the original claims are bullshit. If you have a hard time following this then I'm sorry to tell you but your problem is linked with your inability to substantiate your claims, not your need to spin this fact into personal attacks directed at those who point any of the gaping holes in your reasoning.
  - henrikschroder 6y ago
    Those blogs source their data from SCB. I also linked directly to SCB so that you can verify that the visualized data in the links I posted are accurate. That's as primary a source as you can get when it comes to Swedish statistics. The only thing your comment shows is that you're obviously not Swedish, because you obviously have no idea what SCB is.
    - null_object 6y ago
      > The only thing your comment shows is that you're obviously not Swedish, because you obviously have no idea what SCB is This is the best attack you have? I’m from Sweden. Prove to me that Sweden has done better than Norway, Finland and Denmark - we have death-rates between 11 and 5 times higher than those countries. I have no idea why you seem to think this is some sort of positive result, but your nationalism seems to have blinded you to simple facts. Btw I’d rather you argue against posts that disagree rather then the instant downvote.
      - henrikschroder 6y ago
        Did you confuse me with some other poster? None of your arguments have anything to do with either me or this comment chain. You're railing against some imagined strawman. > Prove to me that Sweden has done better than Norway, Finland and Denmark What are you talking about? We didn't, and I've never claimed we did. > I have no idea why you seem to think this is some sort of positive result What are you talking about? I have never claimed that Sweden's outcome is good or positive. > but your nationalism seems to have blinded you to simple facts. What are you talking about? The only fact I've posted in this thread is the historical monthly all-cause mortality figures for Sweden, which is a pretty darn simple fact. > Btw I’d rather you argue against posts that disagree rather then the instant downvote. What are you talking about? Projecting, much?

by barumi 6y ago

henrikschroder 6y ago

> any crackpot > random crank pots > grannypuncher69 You took the time and effort to use a bunch of ad hominems to try to discredit my links, and yet you didn't address the data at all. Does the fact bother you that much that Sweden's all-cause mortality for 2020 is going to be completely unremarkable from a historical and statistical point of view? (Ok, third lowest mortality in recorded history is actually pretty remarkable, but it's also just the natural consequence of a decades long increase in life expectancy.)

barumi 6y ago
I'm sorry you didn't understood what I said. I've posted no ad-hominem. I did however pointed out the following facts: * blog posts and general social media blurbs posted by anonymous or pseudo-anonymous users are not references. They are somewhere between tertiary sources and bullshit made-up nonsense. * the use of the "grannypuncher69" handle was intended to illustrate how ridiculous it is to pass off random social media posts made by anonymous/pseudo-anonymous users as authoritative sources. * Primary sources, or at most secondary well-established sources, are the only acceptable forms of references, specially regarding scientific and technical subjects. * if no primary or secondary source exists then it's pretty clear that the original claims are bullshit. If you have a hard time following this then I'm sorry to tell you but your problem is linked with your inability to substantiate your claims, not your need to spin this fact into personal attacks directed at those who point any of the gaping holes in your reasoning.
- henrikschroder 6y ago
  Those blogs source their data from SCB. I also linked directly to SCB so that you can verify that the visualized data in the links I posted are accurate. That's as primary a source as you can get when it comes to Swedish statistics. The only thing your comment shows is that you're obviously not Swedish, because you obviously have no idea what SCB is.
  - null_object 6y ago
    > The only thing your comment shows is that you're obviously not Swedish, because you obviously have no idea what SCB is This is the best attack you have? I’m from Sweden. Prove to me that Sweden has done better than Norway, Finland and Denmark - we have death-rates between 11 and 5 times higher than those countries. I have no idea why you seem to think this is some sort of positive result, but your nationalism seems to have blinded you to simple facts. Btw I’d rather you argue against posts that disagree rather then the instant downvote.
    - henrikschroder 6y ago
      Did you confuse me with some other poster? None of your arguments have anything to do with either me or this comment chain. You're railing against some imagined strawman. > Prove to me that Sweden has done better than Norway, Finland and Denmark What are you talking about? We didn't, and I've never claimed we did. > I have no idea why you seem to think this is some sort of positive result What are you talking about? I have never claimed that Sweden's outcome is good or positive. > but your nationalism seems to have blinded you to simple facts. What are you talking about? The only fact I've posted in this thread is the historical monthly all-cause mortality figures for Sweden, which is a pretty darn simple fact. > Btw I’d rather you argue against posts that disagree rather then the instant downvote. What are you talking about? Projecting, much?