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To be entirely accurate, even though the Swedish health authorities have used weasel words to avoid calling the strategy herd-immunity in public, in private ema

To be entirely accurate, even though the Swedish health authorities have used weasel words to avoid calling the strategy herd-immunity in public, in private emails and internal correspondence their true motivation is very clear. Very thoroughly documented by the respected Swedish journalist Emanuel Karlsten here: (in Swedish) https://emanuelkarlsten.se/tegnell-mejlen-sa-fick-flockimmuniteten-faste-hos-folkhalsomyndigheten/ https://emanuelkarlsten.se/tegnell-mejlen-sa-fick-flockimmun... Edit: Just gonna add that downvotes for a post that straightforwardly cites direct quotations about herd-immunity from the relevant authorities says more about the downvoters than about my post.

stareatgoats 6y ago
>> in general we simply follow direction Yes, and it explains to some extent how a majority of Swedes simply can not digest that the authorities say one thing and do another. It is also a propensity for focusing on the literal that characterizes northern Europe in general, the Nordic countries more so, but most of all in Sweden where it is conflated with widespread conformism, adding to insult to injury (figuratively speaking). Herd immunity was a definite part of the strategy, but not to be disclosed by any means. The reason for the strategy is however more interesting to discuss than whether it existed at all (which has simply been proven beyond reasonable doubt). My own analysis leads me to believe that it came be a convenient excuse for the absence of proactive response in the initial phases after which it became a matter of internal prestige (within a small circle of initiated politicians and scientists).
- jordanbeiber 6y ago
  So basically a conspiracy? My analysis has lead me down a different path. Our deaths are primarily elderly (50%) and our response in this regard was really really bad. Much of this is a consequence of communal and regional self governance - the government have for example very little mandate to direct regional resources (something that was changed recently in response to the pandemic). Other than elderly - immigrants are over represented: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/coronavirus-takes-toll-swedens-immigrant-community-70593594 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/coronavirus-t... These two parts stand out and it has, imo, nothing to do with chasing heard immunity. Tegnell sums it up in way that matches up with my perceived reality: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/10/sweden-s-anders-tegnell-we-did-not-pursue-herd-immunity-against-covid-19 https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/10/sweden-s-a...

stareatgoats 6y ago

>> in general we simply follow direction Yes, and it explains to some extent how a majority of Swedes simply can not digest that the authorities say one thing and do another. It is also a propensity for focusing on the literal that characterizes northern Europe in general, the Nordic countries more so, but most of all in Sweden where it is conflated with widespread conformism, adding to insult to injury (figuratively speaking). Herd immunity was a definite part of the strategy, but not to be disclosed by any means. The reason for the strategy is however more interesting to discuss than whether it existed at all (which has simply been proven beyond reasonable doubt). My own analysis leads me to believe that it came be a convenient excuse for the absence of proactive response in the initial phases after which it became a matter of internal prestige (within a small circle of initiated politicians and scientists).

jordanbeiber 6y ago
So basically a conspiracy? My analysis has lead me down a different path. Our deaths are primarily elderly (50%) and our response in this regard was really really bad. Much of this is a consequence of communal and regional self governance - the government have for example very little mandate to direct regional resources (something that was changed recently in response to the pandemic). Other than elderly - immigrants are over represented: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/coronavirus-takes-toll-swedens-immigrant-community-70593594 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/coronavirus-t... These two parts stand out and it has, imo, nothing to do with chasing heard immunity. Tegnell sums it up in way that matches up with my perceived reality: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/10/sweden-s-anders-tegnell-we-did-not-pursue-herd-immunity-against-covid-19 https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/10/sweden-s-a...